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HS10 or AE300 ?

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by Fjorko, May 6, 2003.

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  2. Panny AE300

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  1. Fjorko

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    Now i know these two PJ's have been discussed to death on this forum......BUT......

    For those of you that have seen these two side by side, or even if you own one of these......

    Please help a poor bloke that just can not make his mind up !!!!


    Which would you buy all over again, if you had the money ?

    Cheers
     
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    HS10 without a shadow of doubt. saw both over the weekend and with a component feed there was just no copmparison between the two. The HS10 was streets ahead on image quality, colour definition, brightness and punch. If it did not have such a long throw I would, without question, have bought one.

    Just my opinion of course.
     
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    I've had my ae300 for 3 weeks now.It's my 1st projector but I can't fault it. If I had to buy again I would still be happy with the Panny!
     
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    are they not a little distant specs wise. I mean the extra brightness and almost around double the pixel count makes this a fairly straight forward choice IMO, money allowing of course..:)
    Just my opinion that's all..
     
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    An obvious choice IMO...

    1:1 mapping via DVI, better feature list (motorised zoom/focus etc...), higher res/CR/lumens etc...

    I would, without hesitation, buy another HS10.

    BTW, Messiah's opinion should carry some weight, having had/seen TW100, HS10, AE300, MT8, Barco CRT etc... He knows his PJs :)

    HS10 :smashin:
     
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    Mind you the HS10 is £500 dearer dearies.
     
  8. Kramer

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    & it shows :eek:

    Worth every extra penny :p

    The throw ratio is very long on the HS10 by comparison with the AE300 - something to be considered.

    HD on the HS10...........absolutely gorgeous...:)
     
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    HS10 all the way.
     
  10. Messiah

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    Believe me, if you can manage the throw then there really is no comparison. Honest. See them for yourself and you will see what I mean in the first 5 seconds.

    Give Russell at nexnix a call and get yourself down there if you can. You will not be disappointed.

    I have no axe to grind as I have seen both but own neither :D
     
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    I have read the long thread that Kramer has somewhere else on this group, and it seems like he and a few others have run into false start problems.......that's kind of of-putting innit ?:mad:

    I will probably go for the HS10 in the end, but this issue is a concern to me and i would think to a few other potential HS10 buyers....... can anyone confirm that the problem occured when leaving it on standby for long periods, or was it indeed a problem with a faulty batch of lamps...or....was it something completely different that was/is faulty...and has it been fixed in the latest batches or not ?:confused:

    Much appreciated

    L8ter
     
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    but you also need to consider how close you will be to the unit and if you can handle the noise. the hs10 fans are sensitive to the ambient room temperature, so if you are sitting close to the hs10 and/or the room does not have a continual flow of cool air then you will find the noise from the hs10 noise can be a problem.
    the panasonic is considerably quieter on the other hand.
     
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    Im going for the A300 (eventually). I only need it for DVD player use, as although I own a powerful PC, its in the office, and my Dad uses it for his accounts.

    Also the throw distance will be about 10 - 13 feet.
     
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    I have a panny 300 and am very happy with it indeed, however I was consdering the HS-10 for a long time - I bought the panny mainly because of cost.

    I find this comparison of PJs at different price points a little odd -the Sony is £500 more, you would expect better performance. Whether it gives £500 better performance is impossible to say and is really upto personal preference.

    The REAL question should be is each PJ value for money. For me the panny 300 gives a brilliant picture and is well worth the £1500 or so it costs - it is definitely the best at its price point. From what I've read on this forum, Sony owners would say the same about their machine.

    So my advice would be to set a budget you want to spend and buy the best PJ you can afford. The market is so competitive right now, you just cant lose - the Sanyo Z1 sounds like a great machine for £1200 and what about the panny 100 for £700!!!
     
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    My 2p:
    I think AE300 wins all the way :clap: ;)
    Have a look at the 2 reliability polls and you'll notice a big difference.

    For an impartial review of the 2 projectors, a good read is Projectorcentral.com review (HS10 seems not to be highly recommended anymore).

    The weak point of AE300 is the fact that nobody has discovered yet 1:1 (but DVI and VGA give nevertheless a very good picture).

    Unless you want extra res for HD :) (Kramer has a special HD in Ireland;):rotfl: ), I don't think that the resolution difference is noticeable for DVD viewing (depends on your viewing distance as well)...

    Ae300 better blacks, shadow detail, colours... etc ....
    ;) :D
     
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    If you only knew :eek:

    How do LOTR, Gladiator, Fight Club, The Martix, Blade 2 etc..... in 1080i & 5.1 sound?

    Kramer's very happy with virtually unlimited access to HD material now.

    :p

    I'm saying no more..........
     
  17. Fjorko

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    Kramer......

    Do you still have the false start issues with your HS10 ? If not.....what caused it ?

    It seems like the relaiability of the HS10 is a bit dodgy, and i'm not prepared to throw 2K in the water if my PJ won't start up properly

    Also...if i'm not worried about HDTV...will the Panny suffice ?
    And if i do want HDTV later...will the panny be able to cope ( though probably not as sharp and crisp as the HS10 ?)


    Thanx

    P
     
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    check out the AVS forums for Panny owners views on HDTV, our American cousins have more exposure to it than us - seems quite favourable!


    Come on Kramer dont tease us, spill the beans on this HDTV lark.........
     
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    TonyTiger,

    I wouldn't put my hopes too high...:D
    I bet he thinks only a water cooled PJ can display proper HD there.:laugh:
    But who knows what HD stands for this time?:rotfl:

    Come on Kramer, tell us what's that HD stuff you have plenty access to.
    Give us a clue!;)

    Julia
     
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    So does the HS10 still ship currently with the "false start" issue or not ?

    Is it reliable enough to consider for purchase ?

    If not LCD....can anyone suggest a similarly priced DLP PJ with at least a fast colour wheel for minimum chance of rainbows


    BTW ...are there any new projectors you are aware of that's not been released yet on the market that might have a mix of the HS10 and AE300 features ?

    Cheers

    P
     
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    My HS10 has now started perfectly on each & every occassion for the last 2/3 weeks - say 15/20 times. Looks like it's sorted itself out.

    I would buy again without hesitation ;) The false start issue was never a major problem for most - always started the 2nd time.

    Only feature of the AE300 over the HS10 is it's short throw :) (but then again I needed the long throw of the Sony). Everywhere else the HS10 is better (feature wise).

    The AE300 is said to be quieter in operation, although many still consider the Sony's noise to be a non-issue.

    Don't know of anything else available/due shortly in this category, besides what are already talked about on the forum.



    Julia

    It's awesome :eek:

    :p
     
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    Contrast Ratio, AE300 800:1 vs HS10 700:1
    Lamp Life, AE300 5000Hrs vs HS10 3000Hrs

    :p

    Some consider the lack of 1:1 mapping to be a non-issue ;)

    Just how big a satellite dish did you need :rotfl:

    Given the current quality of Sky in the UK I think the only way I'll get to try my AE300 with broadcast HDTV is if time-team dig it up in 500yrs time :)

    The Microsoft HDTV demo's looked fantastic tho :)

    -- Jon
     
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    I am facing the same problem now as it looks like I am forced to buy a new projector.

    Can someone explain to me what is meant by a long throw?


    I also have another problem that no one in the shops seem to be able to answer.

    I currently use a davis dls 8 (until the power supply let go), but this unit projects way above the horizontal plane on which it sits.

    since it is mounted on the ceiling, and the screen starts pretty much at the celing, it needs to be angled significantly to project on the screen.

    Can anyone give me some info on the angle of projection of the image relative to the position of the projector on both these items?
     
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    Isn't life terrible :D


    Well, the basics anyway .
     
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    thanks kramer.

    looks like the offset of the davis was quite large in the first place as there is no way that the top of the screen was level with the inverted projector.

    Hopefully the sony will be better than this.

    my projector is confined to being about 8 feet from the screen,

    given the long throw of the sont, can anyone explain to me how to calculate the size range of the image?

    sorry for asking, but I rushed into the davis purchase because ti was cheap at the time, and dont and cant make the same mistake twice!
     
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    No problem ;)

    There's a throw ratio calculator here .

    Just input what screen size you want & it'll give you the min/max distance, or vice versa.

    Very useful tool.

    :smoke:
     
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    but if it gives you a range, and it is not projector specific, then how do you know whuich end of the range your model will be?


    is this where the long throw of the sony comes in, meaning it will be at the longer end of the range for a given screen size?
     
  28. Messiah

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    :confused: Uh, it is projector specific. First thing you choose is the projector from the drop down list. The range is then the difference between the min and max zoom setting on the chosen unit.
     
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    sorry messiah, I posted before looking at the site, then looked at the site before seeing your answer!

    Think I am going to go for the hs10.

    any idea how much side shot correction it is capable of, not that I want to use it, but I may be forced to.

    have found it for £2000inc. vat delivered, and in the UK. anyone have any better prices than that?
     
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    Adam,

    you do realise that at 8ft you can only have a screen about 4 and a half feet wide with the Sony due to its long throw.

    I'm sure you know what you want, but that seems like a waste of such a good projector. You might as well get a plasma screen at that size.

    The Panny-300 has a shorter throw and will give you a 6ft wide screen I think at that distance.

    Cheers,
    Tony.
     

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