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HP asks for BluRay changes, or it's going to HD DVD

Discussion in 'TVs' started by StooMonster, Oct 20, 2005.

  1. StooMonster

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    HP wants mandatory "managed copy", which allows people to copy high-definition movies onto PCs from discs and distribute them on home networks. Which sounds great for consumer.

    HP also wants BluRay to use iHD as interactive layer, rather than Java, which is also supported by Microsoft: unsuprisingly iHD is invented by Microsoft.

    Source: Reuters article HP asks for Blu-ray change in next-gen DVD battle

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    surely the managed copy is the domain of the PC, not the drive in use? Its already been stated by the bluray guys that it will use AACS as the copy protection mechanism, the same as HD DVD. That supports managed copy, so what is the issue?

    I can't see them changing their interactive layer
     
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    This issue is that their implementation of the AACS DRM means that no copying is allowed at all, Pretty stupid if you ask me. As microsoft's bill gates pointed out, Sony's closeness with its own media arm has swayed their system towards too much copy protection.
     
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    AIUI with HD-DVD it is mandatory that all discs must support managed copy, while with BluRay it is currently optional - up to the individual disc manufacturer/publisher. This would mean in practice that virtually all BluRay discs probably wouldn't allow it. This is one of Microsoft's principal (stated) objections to BluRay as well.
     
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    lot of fuss about nothing.

    I know stuff expands quickly, but how many people will have huge servers full of HD movies (not including us bunch of nutters)
     
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    Well I'm certainly no MS fan, but you can see their point here!


    Similar in the audio world - Sony seems to want their cake and eat it as well - as a major supplier of MP3 walkman type devices, they are also a leading proponent of CD copy protection ..........designed to effectively prevent you from getting the songs from the CD to MP3 player - go figure :) :)
     
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    If Microsoft has its way, nearly everybody: they've been pushing PC/AV convergence for years. How many people have Sky+ boxes? Done properly it would be no more complex than that.
     
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    kind of, but large collections of DVDs can be 500+ movies. That number of movies on even single layer blurays (25GB) is over 12 Terabytes. Thats not consumer friendly storage for several years yet.
     
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    True, but that doesn't really matter, because there are countless applications of this sort where the storage is not persistent. Think about the way a small MP3 player works now - you only have the capacity for about 4 CDs worth of music, but you load it up with whatever you want, carry it around, listen, change as necessary. It's completely legal to buy a CD, rip it to MP3, and play it like this.

    In the same way, you want to be able to rip a BluRay disc on to a portable video player, keep it there for as long as you want, then replace it with something else.

    The same thing applies for distribution around the house - you want to be able to stream the film off hard disc rather than off the BluRay disc direct, because the quality will be better that way. It doesn't matter if you can only store one film at a time.
     
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    This bit makes lots of commercial sense to me: "If Sony delivers, many studio execs say that Warner and Paramount will likely abandon the HD DVD platform. If not, media companies are under such pressure to deliver a new product to revive double-digit growth of pre-recorded movies, that they will go ahead with Toshiba's format."

    However, this part could concern BluRay supporters: "One studio exec says that engineers re-evaluated the Blu-ray technology as recently as this week and concluded that it will not be ready to offer everything Sony promises for two more years." Are they refering to double-density discs?

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    How else do they get you stump up for a second BluRay player only two years after buying your first one?

    First Gen players that only play single layer discs would be a great way of boosting sales.

    Just like DVD. Buy a player then have to get a new one to play DTS followed by another new one to enjoy prog scan etc.......

    First rule of consumer electronics, keep 'em coming back!
     

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