Hows everyone finding range in winter?

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  1. jassco

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    Ours is taking a battering now. Range is often showing at 93 miles from a full charge which is fairly accurate. Turning the heating off adds another 25 miles range :eek:
     
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    -5 this morning, cold battery/car = 2 miles per kWh predicted!!! Still should have more than enough range for the nursery run :).

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    No issues here even at -8 this morning :) But that's probably because she only has a 10 mile round trip. :devil:
     
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    She's obviously not worried because she still hasn't come in for a top up after charging at the weekend.
     
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    That is way below the Tesla range predictor at -10 dev C? Ok that is for the base 75 S but even at 70 mph it estmyes 225 miles which is nearly 3 miles per KWh?

    Yours seems to be indicating a range drop you wouldn’t expect for the Teslas with battery conditioning and in the range of a Zoe in summer!?

    Yours at the moment is the 60Kw as well don’t it? Or did you get the software tweak yet to increase that to the pack size?

    Edit - although turn the heating on and it does drop just below 200 miles at 70 mph and -10 deg C.....
     
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    Most my trips are sub 10 miles, which means the car wasted lots of heat getting the battery and cabin up to temp. By the time its warm am usually already at my destination. In a way this doesn't matter because for short trips range isnt an issue. I used up 40% charge on x5 10 mile trips a few days ago, but still got home with over 40% charge left.

    On longer trips once the cabin/battery is warm the consumption falls back to nearly summer levels. We went to Linclon market last weekend, wasn't exactly warm. By the time we arrived the car was showing a consumption of just under 3 miles per kWh, which is the expected consumption for a X.

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    We are going to Cardiff this weekend, 160 miles, I don't expect to stop for a charge.
     
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    In the i3 this morning on the 145 mile run into London instead of the Zoe

    Dropped onto Rex at Northampton. Now having to sit on an Ultracharger in an icy car park for 30mins

    Missing the Zoe’s 41kw and heat pump

    Brrrr. Chilly in here

    Normal 92miles if driving on eggshells down to 81 miles today

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    Why can’t people drive in a straight line on the M1 without crashing into each other

    5 bloody hours (inc a 30min charge stop) to do 145 miles Sutton in Ashfield to Westminster... Absolute Joke!
     
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    156 miles today, 3hr 40 minutes of traffic jams on M42/M6/M5/M4, car behaved perfectly. Overall efficiency virtually the same as in the summer despite the single digit temps :).

    Car had plenty of rang left, but I was more than ready for a break!!

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    Graphics on that Dashboard are amazing :thumbsup:

    Is there anything it can't do?
     
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    We’re off to Swansea over Christmas, it’s 250 miles door to door. My range for popping around town and local trips is pretty shocking but I’ve found it’s not too bad at all once I hit the bypass/motorway for a little while.

    It’s going to be my first long drive but I’m not worried at all, plenty of places I can stop for a charge [emoji4]
     
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    @Desmo Enjoy your first long distance trip, I just did 325 miles today in rush hour traffic, 5 people in the car, 7hrs on the road, x2 vists to Oxford Superchargers.

    The car is simply aweason for long trips.

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    So glad to be back in the Zoe

    135.8 miles into London today and 60 left according to GOM which underestimates so more like 80 left

    27kwh used out of 41. Just under 5miles per kWh

    So pleased with the winter range on this little donkey

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    I'm planning on a quick topup at South Mimms whilst we grab a drink and snack and then a proper charge at Membury on Ecotricity point whilst we stop for lunch with the little one. Will be ideal when the Membury Superchargers are up and running.
     
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    ^ Whats your route? Unless you really want to try Ecotricity chargers I wouldnt bother charging up using them. Best comparison I can think of is flying business class versus Easyjet. Both get you there but thats where the similarities end.

    The trip advisor in the car is amazingly accurate if you stay at 70-75mph. Drop the speed to 65mph and your arrive a good few % above predicted. I have no worries aiming to arrive with <10% predicted on trip advisor.

    Am sure you know about A Better Routeplanner.

    Ive used the website to plan all the long distance drives, again the predicted arrival % is very accurate and easily bettered if drive 5mph slower.
     
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    M11, M25 Northbound and M4 to junction 47, pretty much to the door.

    Going to do a quick 15 minute drink and snack stop at South Mimms and then stop somewhere down the M4 (probably membury) for lunch stop.

    If I’m going to stop anyway I may as well charge. I don’t mind EasyJet...but if you’d have said Ryanair it would have been a different story [emoji51]
     
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    If you stop at Reading, let me know, I'll come and say hi :)
     
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    So we left home on 100% and stopped at South Mimms on the M25 for a spot of lunch with the little one. Topped up to 98% whilst there and headed off around the rest of the M25 and M4. We could have made it to our destination in a small town just north of Swansea without an issue but stopped at Sarn Park to add a few more safety miles.

    Overall...very easy and didn’t really need to stop anywhere we wouldn’t have any way.
     
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    Drove 45 miles tonight to visit friends, used 75% on the way down and 85% on the way back.

    It was about 2-3 degrees going, between 0 and -1 coming back.

    Fortunately we were able to plug into a slow charger in town while we visited.

    So dropped the car off with 15% (left home at 90%) and came back to a fully charged battery 3 hours later.
     
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    An interesting range of results. I saw my first ever broken down Tesla on New Year's Day. It was about 500 metres along the road from a large puddle so my first thought was electrics, I hadn't considered it might be the result of winter range variances?
     
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    I doubt it, a Tesla would have driven itself to the nearest charger so as not to run out. :devil:

    Our experience of admittedly only one winter in a Leaf is that the issues have been completely overhyped. And completely overwhelmed by the ability to turn on the climate control remotely :clap:
     
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    Quick update after driving around at -2 deg C today. I had to pick up my daughter from school for a dental appointment so at 10:30 I fired up the climate control from my phone and 10 minutes later got into a pleasantly warm car (wish my car did this). 27.2 miles in mixed urban Dual carriageway driving at 3.85 miles per kilowatt compared with 4.5 over the summer. That's a 14.4% drop in efficiency. Range seems to be about 85 miles at the moment, which is fine for our needs.
     
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    So persistant below zero temps, wind, snow is seeing consumption on the X hit 2-2.25 miles per kWh. Range at full charge non stop I estimate to be 140 miles, though the thought of doing that kind of distance is bit mad given the state of the roads....Even if you have winter tyres one accident up ahead and your stuck for hours.

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    Luckily the Tesla built in trip/range predictor still seems really accurate. 20 miles M way run at 70mph, -4, light snow, and actual energy use matched predicted almost perfectly!!! Very useful.

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    Temp finally going up, nice to consumption returning back to more normal reading - just under 3 miles per kWh :).
     
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    I only do short journeys in my car and am pretty sure it would do around 100 miles on a full charge if that. I see regular 600-800+ wh/miles on my graph. @gangzoom your 353 wh/miles is like my summertime usage.

    I don't even thrash the car!
     
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    Slightly off topic but our Leaf's tyre pressure management system flagged up a low rear tyre at the weekend which I topped up from 28 to 36. This morning the other three were flagged up, so I hope it's just the cold weather causing the pressure drop...
     
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    More than likely....all of mine have dropped over the last few days.
     
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    Thanks Desmo, Mrs IG is on the train tomorrow so I can check all is OK...
     
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    I’m sure you are all over it IG but does the monitoring system need a reset after topping up (especially only one tyre) so it doesn’t get confused?
     
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    A definite possibility, thanks.
     
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    Turns out the other three tyres had also dropped below 30psi (from 36psi), so it must be due to the cold. Although why they didn't do it earlier in the winter beats me. Pumped back up to 36psi and the warning cleared automatically, which is useful to know.
     

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