Question How to bluetooth music to a dac that doesn't have BT

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  1. indus

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    Hi
    I have a Moon dac that I am very happy with but it doesn't have blue tooth built in. I want to play from Apple music on my samsung S8.
    The dac has plenty of digital inputs.

    Can anybody please tell me what I need to be able to do this?

    Thanks
     
  2. jonnybee123

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  3. indus

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    I am listening to hifi but your device is a dac. I have a high quality dac (Simaudio 380D) already.
     
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    It receives a bluetooth signal from your phone and yes, it converts it to analogue RCA outputs. If you use the optical output and connect your DAC the internal dac of the B1 is bypassed. I imagine all bluetooth adapters have a built in dac.

    The Audioengine D1 is their DAC as in the link below. This is the B1. Thanks
    Ps. That a VERY expensive DAC. It MUST be good! ;)

    https://audioengineusa.com/shop/components/d1-24-bit-dacheadphone-amp/
     
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  5. indus

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    Thank you.

    My dac has a multitude of digital inputs ie spdif, aes, usb etc. What I need is a high quality blue tooth streamer that just has a digital output of some kind.

    Surely something like this must exist?

    Cheers
     
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    You might want to change your "might" to won't" given:
     
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    The rblink has an SPDIF output which will connect straight into the DAC so I'll leave it as might .
     
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    A bluetooth adaptor is quite a simple thing. They could build in a high quality audiophile dac but at the end of the day its not going to cost that much. The highest quality you can listen with bluetooth is if the adaptor has got the latest Aptx codec. But then your source will also need the same codec for it to work fully. I believe the S8 has the Aptx codec but you may need to go into developer options to enable it. There are several informative threads in here about bluetooth over streaming, which is best etc.. I started off with a bluetooth adaptor but then decided that wifi streaming was slightly better quality.
     
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    Given that Apple Music streams audio using the AAC format, it would make sense to use a Bluetooth receiver that supports Bluetooth AAC in order for it to receive the audio unaltered.

    What's unclear is whether the Android version of the Apple Music app on your Samsung S8 supports sending its audio via Bluetooth AAC, like the iOS version of the app is supposed to. If it doesn't, then for best sound quality using Bluetooth with Apple Music, you might have to use an iPad/iPhone instead of your Samsung S8.
     
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    excuse my ignorance but why use blue tooth with your expensive dac?? bt is a lossy compression and surely would be wasted on a good dac?

    why not get something like a chromecast audio and use an optical input to stream over wifi?
     
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    The same thought had crossed my mind, but unfortunately the Apple Music app does not yet support Google Cast - so the OP would be stuck with the potential inferior sound quality of the (Samsung S8) Android device's captured audio via the Google Home app's 'Cast Screen/Audio' feature running in the background.

    Having said that the S8's Bluetooth function will likely be doing a similar thing. So a capture of the Apple Music app's audio output and re-encoding the audio (therefore will be a lossy process even if using Bluetooth aptX) - unless it is able to do as iPhones/iPads are supposed to, ie, actually stream Apple Music's AAC file tracks untouched using Bluetooth AAC, like I metioned in my last post.
     
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    Could always get a cheap iPad or iPod touch for music streaming directly via airplay which is up to 16/44.1 lossless. If the dac doesn’t have AirPlay, a cheap airport express for £20 off eBay sorts that out.

    Imo, using Bluetooth on an expensive dac is like putting chip oil in a Ferrari.
     
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    Thank you.

    It seems I've been approaching this problem all wrong. The aim is to play apple music in some way through my main system. I have access to an ipad and an older ipod.

    My dac has an inbuilt streamer but as far as I can tell it doesn't support apple music (I'm waiting to confirm this)

    Can you please tell me how the airport express forms the link between my ipad/pod and my dac?

    Thanks for your help
     
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    Hi is portability of the S8 important?. If you are happy to have it adjacent to your expensive DAC any OTG usb cables with microusb..into the S8 and normal USB into the DAC will suffice.
     
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    Hi
    I sit quite far from the hifi so that means I'd have a cable running across the middle of the room.

    I'm happy not to use the S8 and use an ipod/ipad if that makes things easier. I just want to be able to play apple music through my dac. Unfortunately the streamer in my dac does not support apple music.

    Edited to say; I've figured out that the ipad will appear as a 'local library' on my streamer. That means I can play apple music songs that I have downloaded and saved but not can't just stream.

    Cheers
     
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    an airport express just uses an optical out directly into your dac. any apple device can stream over wifi direct to an airport express
     
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    Here is an example of the optical being plugged into my chord mojo directly from the airport express which is in the wall socket behind.

    I then stream direct from my iPhone or ipad
     

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    Thank you. Sounds like that could be my cheap and easy fix.

    I do happen to have a sonos lying around. Sonos do support apple music. I wonder whether I could use the digital output of the sonos into my dac? I'll try that tomorrow, if it doesn't work then airport express it is.

    Btw, beautiful vinyl deck! What is it?
     
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    Pro-ject perspective
     
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    Quick update.

    I plugged my old Sonos connect into my dac and now have apple music! I was obviously coming at the problem from completely the wrong angle.

    I must say though, initial impressions of the quality of sound from apple music isn't great. However that could be down to the Sonos (digital out).

    Anyway, thanks for all the help.
     

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