jonjames
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Where do you the BK P12 pr would be on the list? Trying to consider other options, ported in particular.
This is interesting, so the bk pr could be better than the svs sb 1000 non proThe list is in order of CEA-2010 20Hz output so if it has output that low then it would make the list. Given its size and specs it's going to be close to the bottom, maybe just above the SB-1000 Pro but probably no higher. So let's say it had 90dB CEA-2010 output (#59 in the list) at 20Hz which means a pair would be sufficient to support a -10dB listening level in rooms up to 2,250Ft3.
Not “better” as such, it just might have more CEA-2010 output at 20Hz.This is interesting, so the bk pr could be better than the svs sb 1000 non pro
You’re a very brave manThink my room is no more than 700 cubic feet so I reckon I have enough with twin PB3000’s
Brave or daftYou’re a very brave man
Could be a bit of bothBrave or daft
They are brutal - big step up to the SB3000Could be a bit of both
Due to my recent let down, I maybe considering them.
You’d be the one to ask as you’ve had both and that’s a decent recommendation on its own. I am tempted tbh.They are brutal - big step up to the SB3000
As good as the SB3000 was I always felt that they just come up short on certain Music/Films - The PB’s are just on another levelYou’d be the one to ask as you’ve had both and that’s a decent recommendation on its own. I am tempted tbh.
Could you describe the differences in your own words ? I don’t need anything arty farty, just your own words. And if you have examples of movie scenes etc that would be good also.As good as the SB3000 was I always felt that they just come up short on certain Music/Films - The PB’s are just on another level
I really understand your choice of words here as with certain movies it can be a truly visceral experience to the point that it’s almost exhausting. After my two sons (aged 19 and 22) watched their first movie with my two PB-3000s I asked them to use one word to describe them - one said “punishing” and the other said “ridiculous”.They are brutal
I wouldn’t recommend them if you have a semi detached house as it would just cause issuesI really understand your choice of words here as with certain movies it can be a truly visceral experience to the point that it’s almost exhausting. After my two sons (aged 19 and 22) watched their first movie with my two PB-3000s I asked them to use one word to describe them - one said “punishing” and the other said “ridiculous”.
Quite the opposite, it's not off topic at allI wouldn’t recommend them if you have a semi detached house as it would just cause issues
I did compare the PB3000 to the SB4000 but it was no contest and the 4000 went straight back
Anyway think we going off topic so we’ll leave it there
If you send me links to their CEA-2010 measurements then I'll add them.@Mr Wolf - could you not add the JL Audio Fathom F113 or even the Paradigm Sub 25 if you have the measurement data at all - be good to see how these stack up to what you have already on the list - both legendary and extremely capable
I did try and search for any actual measurements regarding the Subs but unfortunately they appear to be missing - - a shame as they were very capable subs even though they were both sealedIf you send me links to their CEA-2010 measurements then I'll add them.
Absolutely. Just be aware that, depending on the room shape and sub location options, with just a single sub you might not be able to achieve a very smooth frequency response due to nulls. In many cases a pair of smaller subs will therefore be preferable to a single larger sub.Hi, very good chart here for evaluating the amount of sub output needed.
My living room is around 62.17m3, so if I read this correctly, a PB-1000 Pro or a PB-1000 is more than enough if I play my contents within -13 to -16 dB?