Gasp3621
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I misinterpreted the table because I thought that if a subwoofer could reach reference levels in a room without audible distortion, then that's all you'd ever need. But it seems that there are many variables to the equation of a "Good Subwoofer" like the ULF, mid bass, how fast the sub is, delay, distortion etc. All those variables and the fact that different subs are using different mechanics/strategies to produce bass make things even more confusing. The cherry on top is that we don't know the sensitivity of the drivers and RMS/peaks are just "claimed". Some companies overexaggerate (see Klipsch sensitivities for example).
And then there's the pricing. SVS prices are higher in Europe whereas Arendals come straight from Norway and they're cheaper here. Some examples:
PB-1000pro: 900euros
PB-3000: 1900euros
PB-4000: 2900euros
1723 1V: 1700euros
1723 2V: 2800euros
And then there's a beast XTZ 3x12 which outperforms so many subs, at 2300euros.
Arendal customer support also advised me to go with dual 1V instead of a single 2V. Don't you think that dual PB-3000 would be a better move for more headroom?
If you chose two PB-1000pros, then wouldn't you feel the need for more headroom? I'm currently using a PB-1000 (non pro) and I can hear a lot of port noise when a movie has bass lower than 25Hz or so. I won't forget that moment, when I was watching "Overlord". I suddenly could hear port and driver noise at the MLP (MV was at -25dB's). Same situation with "Quiet Place", "Aquaman" and the list goes on.
Interesting site, I searched "Aquaman" and checked the graphs there. May I ask what's the difference between the red and the green line? Thanks for sharing by the way. Nice to know that even Ice Age has noticeable rumble action.
Thanks for the help Gasp. It seems that the 1V is no joke either and it's 1100euros cheaper than the 2V, which makes it easier for everyone to gradually go for dual setup. Arendal customer support also suggested that I should go for dual 1V instead of a single 2V. Wouldn't dual PB-3000 be better or?
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Thanks everyone for the replies and all the help!
Klipsch doesn´t overexaggerate the sensitivity they just show it differently. They still do have above average sensitivity when measured. "Klipsch is using an in-room estimation of sensitivity that factors in a quarter-space environment over a greater distance."
The max output figures doesn`t tell us how these models sound. It would be tough to choose between those two as you can imagine they will be huge step up from your PB1000. Sparechange youtube dude owns dual PB16U and tested two Arendal 2Vs against them which he felt sounded more controlled and cleaner over SVS. Youthman, Tha Villaman and James at Audioholics all gave high praise for 1V & 2V. Both models have app control, Arendal is available in nicer finishes and has longer 10year warranty (5y amp). The PB3000 is proven performer and many at least here at AVF feels it´s the sweet spot, but just missing the ULF stuff. PB4000 adds the extended mode so you would be using 2ports open in that mode. The price jump is rather hefty even if you get nicer gloss black finish. Arendal has full power down to 10hz. As for the possible port noise and generally if you have questions for 1V tag @DLxP as he owns two of them.
3x12 is a beast if you got the space, but two of these would be quite a sight. Josh was quite impressed with it if you read the below link. Similar output to Monolith 16 THX higher up. You could also lay them on the front/rear walls.
Data-Bass: Subwoofer Measurements
data-bass.com