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how long till we see quality plasmas hit the uk?

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by tim k, Jun 17, 2005.

  1. tim k

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    shouldnt your post read, Why did we get ripped off on electronic goods !!!!
     
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    Do you think philips actully make the PDP??
     
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    Costco in Orlando sell the pv500 $2200, the exchange rate is circa 1.8 $ to the pound.
    You can do the maths, its just not cricket :thumbsdow
     
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    That's more to do with rock-bottom dollar exchange than it has to do with rip-off prices. The US is on the verge of a recession.
     
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    the thread title is a misnomer -there are at least 2 great plasmas here - but as you say at the 5k mark...
     
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    As well as the exchange rate there is also the sheer size of the US market. Companies like Costco can shift phenominal numbers of these things and consequently buy in cheap. The savings are passed on to the consumer in true 'pile 'em high and shift 'em quick' tradition.
     
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    Even at 1.35 its still a bargain!
    JL can pile em as high as they like and i will gladly cimb to the top to buy mine.
     
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    True, that's the price we pay for sticking with 50Hz - you pay more for the gear, because it's a much smaller market.
     
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    US prices do not include sales tax so add on something for that as well guys.

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    No tax if you buy in New Hampshire.
     
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    Sales tax in most US states is rarely over 5%, but don't forget that our sales prices include 17.5% VAT - that's nearly a fifth of the sales price :suicide:
     
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    Us retailers thank you for your support on this issue Nick! We really are not fat cats making money out of you all. The retail margins on electronics are astonishingly small in the main. There's a good mark up on cables, that's about it! Plasma margins make selling just a screen in a box uneconomic for most retailers, the profit wouldn't run my firm for 1 hour. If anything goes wrong, anything at all, whether delivery, warranty issues, or god forbid, a dead pixel, and the profit is a distant memory. Don't know who is making money out of UK, but suspect it might be Gordon Brown. 14% tariff on digital video connected screens, duty, VAT, I think maybe 35% of the shelf ticket is tax in one form or another, then most plasma buyers give up nearly half their salary to income tax and NI to top it off. This isn't a political statement, it'd be no better no matter who's in no 10.

    BTW this is a samsung based screen, and it's highly unlikely to be 720/50 compatible, and hardly up to the standards of Pioneer/panasonic/fujitsu preferred by the majority of forum members. Fujitsu are not cheap like this in the land of the free. We are not comparing like with like. Remember also, the wise man's saying: There's nothing in the world that can't be made cheaper by being made worse.
     
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    don't know about comparing like with like but an earlier post mentioned costco doing the pv500 for $2200 :confused:

    my main hobby is fishing and i buy much of my gear in the usa because its often over 100% cheaper even if you end up paying duty - come to think of it europe is cheaper as well :mad:
     
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    why oh why whenever the question of cost etc is raised do we get retailers saying there is little or no profit - be it plasma tv's or potatoes :eek:

    if it was so bad why do they sell the things - or are they registered charities :D

    i would just love tesco's to enter the plasma market and then see what prices can be achieved - wallmart (asda) have broken into the fishing market in the usa and their prices need to be seen to be believed

    its all very well saying you get personal treatment from small independent shops (and my experience does not suggest this is the case)- but what joe public wants is the cheapest price
     
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    It was mentioned yes, about £ for $ as usual then. 80% of this is UK duty, and the model they get is not IDTV I don't think, and maybe not 720p/50 compatible, I daresay the new chip for europe costs more. No idea why we are more expensive than Europe, but it's a fact you can make a living importing screens from Europe, I have no problem with that as long as the origin is made public, so to speak. Don't forget most states you pay sales tax on top of the shelf price.
     
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    Retail is very comopetitive in this country, just look at the number of price promises around.

    As far as rip-off Britain goes, anyone who tries to clain we get a good deal in comparison to the States or Europe on just about everything is either an idiot or deluding themselves.

    I do not blame the retailers for this tho' as I know from experience that the manufacturers determine the prices. Retailers in this country probably operate at lower margins than those on the continent and in the states as they need to absorb some of the maufacturers price inflation and also the VAT in order to try to compete with overseas outfits.
     
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    Sam, if all you want is the cheapest price, buy a euro import from the cheapest guy, and stuff any service then. You can't afford to give service at £50 a box. I sell the things cos I make my money on service, separately charged where it's wanted. That way I can sell at internet prices pretty much, and those who want service pay for it and know what they are paying for. I can see the idea of a shop making a profit on your sale is anathema to you. You are right of course, if you don't want service and know all you need to about the product before you buy it. That's why Sainsburys are cheaper for meat than the local butcher, who will order in /cut exactly what you want, and you will be able to ask exactly where it came from, and likely what the cow's name was. Still, I don't suppose that interests you, perhaps you'd rather a burger from Macdonalds? Or is that a bit harsh LOL! I and others like me offer demo equipment, often spend hours with customers making sure they are getting what they want, is that not to be built in to a price? Or am I just a stupid mug, people can have me demo, (read AV sales, TMF, Progressive av according to preference/location) and then you can go hunt around the net and buy it for £20 less here, £30 less there, and try and buy the cabling from me cos I did it as a loss leader?
     
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    My local butcher always beats the supermarket chains prices for beef/pig/sheep products,

    McDonalds in the US charge 1/4 the price McDonalds in the UK charge.

    The manufacturers are ripping us off as they always do in the UK.

    Most of my Dvds now come from the US, and are less than 1/2 the price of the same UK product.
     
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    MAW, I can quite understand why you might be feeling a bit defensive about this :) and it's true that people probably aren't making much effort to see your point of view; but you have to try and see our point of view too.

    From the customer's perspective, all we see is a Lexicon MC12B processor (V3) selling in america for $10,000 while exactly the same item in this country retails at £9000. At today's rate of exchange, that's about $16,500. (And the MC12B is a comparatively moderate example).

    It's not that we don't want retailers to make any profit, it's that we don't see why we should have to pay 65% more for something when bought from a British retailer as we would have to pay for exactly the same item bought from an american retailer.

    In all probability this is not the fault of the retailer, it's a combination of the high VAT rate in this country (while the US price is quoted without tax), high transport/petrol costs, and mark-up by UK distributors (or less satisfactory deals offered by the manufacturer). But you can surely see why we're going to pretty ticked off about the situation, can't you?

    By all means keep on explaining why it isn't actually the retailer who is responsible for the consumer being ripped off, but don't try and make out that we're not being ripped off: we are, even if it's not your fault and there's nothing you can do about it. :)
     
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    Have I said we were't being ripped off? Note the 'we' in that. Imagine how my business would grow if all products were 2/3 of the price! 60% of the population could afford something at least, whereas currently it's only the top 10%
     
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    right what service do you offer? bearing in mind i'm in notts

    if i buy a tv from comet or you what is the difference - not talking extended warranties - from either source i would expect to pay extra for installation

    isf would also be an extra regardless of source

    i have no problem with retailers making a profit :D but according to some you don't make a profit (or very small)

    av sales prices are far higher than online or some shops - why buy from them - sorry av just used you as an example - but we are talking £100's cheaper

    regarding beef etc - i never eat macs - i also buy from a proper butcher BUT he offers something the supermarkets don't - aberdeen angus and well hung so i pay a premium for this - but with the tvs we are talking like for like :(
     
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    A proper AV retailer will have a better knowledge of the product and be able to set it up correctly. Also they will ask you what other kit you have or intend to buy which will be attached to the plasma so they can demonstrate it using your kit. They can show how improvements can be made from different sources or using different cables etc. They can also suggest other product if they think it suits your needs better. Comet are there to shift boxes while a decent AV retailer is there to serve you well as a customer so you will use them again in the future.
     
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    The product is like for like, except some of the cheap guys are selling euro imports of course. The difference is that AV sales will configure you a system, sell you the product, deliver it, take it back if it's not what you expected, help you on the phone when you are setting up, how much more do you want? If you don't need any of this, if you are simply going to buy a pv500 and stick it on a desk stand, and know how to configure everything to optimum, go ahead, no problem. I'll flog a box at £50 profit if you like, but I'd love to be able to hang up, or have no contact phone number if it turns out to be a buzzer, or when your sky box has reverted to composite and your converter won't give you a picture. That's what you get from a specialist, but nobody is asking you to buy from us, it's a free country. You just asked me to justify my existence (Oh god I'm so depressed) so I'm trying.
     
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    set it up correctly :confused: we are not talking isf ;)

    as for the other questions you will be asked - this forum seems to offer plenty of unbiased help

    as for improvements in cables etc - thats a matter for conjecture

    at the end of the day - there seem to be so few 'good' retailers you are really down to a postcode lottery - i can just see a retailer coming up to notts to let me try things out - we are supposed to have one of the uk specialists (chantry audio) down the road from me and a less helpful bunch you would be hard to find (and arrogant with it)

    in conclusion - if i lived within a reasonable distance of a decent retailer i would at least have given them the chance to impress me :rotfl:
     
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    My innuendo detector burst into flames analysing that one. :rotfl:
     
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    thats why all the girls use the shop :rotfl:
     
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    And I thought Bagpuss was for kids!
     
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    Maw is correct in saying this country is loaded with tax compared to some.

    The US prices are so low its makes you green!
    Regarding the sales tax most states its 6%... big deal.

    Rover used to send their top cars there (best place for them), made here shipped and selling at half the price that they charged in the UK....

    I know its a bigger market, but there has to be an end to this crazy price loading we have to suffer.
     

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