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How do they get away with it?

Discussion in 'Movie Forum' started by videonasty, Jul 2, 2004.

  1. videonasty

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  2. Chibouk

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    While E-bay are making money from these pirates they'll turn a blind eye to it. I know E-bay make a big song and dance about being anti-piracy, but they must be bringing in some serious money noadays for the online auctioneers.
     
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    Its so widespread on ebay that I actually hope that the ppl who knowingly buy them get ripped off.
     
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    ever tried getting your money back from EBay??
    It took me 6 months and 100s of emails
     
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    3 months and still waiting.

    You should never trust a web site that has no contact details within 3 clicks: eBay has no customer service phone numbers anywhere on their site (and in the opinion of a lot of forumites operates illegally).

    I had to get the compensation form (which, by the way, you have to FAX to Germany) from a forum as eBay just wouldn't give it to me (their links just go round and round in a vicious circle and they just send automated responses to every email, referring you to the merry-go-round links).

    Personally, I report every pirate dvd I see when browsing eBay: **** knows if they do anything with the reports (their spam filters probably junk them).

    regards,
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    I wouldn't touch this with yours either, although look at this guys feedback... 5500 happy customers, there's certainly a market for this crap.
     
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    How many of those "happy" customers actually realise that
    they have bought counterfit goods?
    This guy must be raking it in.
    I've never used e-bay as there are so many people being allowed
    to get away with selling pirated material that I can't trust anyone.
    How on earth has this guy not been stopped? Surely e-bay must have
    moderators to protect innocent (and gullible) customers.
    I now realise what the "e" in e-bay stands for - EXTORTION! :mad:
     
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    By 5500 happy customers I mean people who buy DVD's, put them in their players and just watch the films. If the copy quality is good enough that non "specialists" like us don't notice, then for the price they pay they are "happy customers" hence the positive feedback.
     
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    The problem is with dual layer burners now available and everything being digital theres no reason why the copy won't be 100% identical to the originals quality.

    I won't buy from EBay its full of rip off merchants, i once bid for something which apparently had 4 minutes to close and found the price kept on going up which was weird but anyways doesn't some rich american film or broadcaster company now own EBay ?
     
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    I agree 100%. I wouldn't normally buy bootlegs, but I bought Kill Bill Jap Uncut for £10 from a guy on Ebay. At first, I had half convinced myself it might be genuine, but I asked the seller and he said it was a copy. Had I not asked, however, I would never have known, as it is identical in quality to the original, including the packaging. The only reason I bought it is because I wanted to see the uncut version, but didn't want to pay out over £20, only to find it released unrated on R1 in six months time. I do not generally support bootleggers, but if the film companies are going to continue to rip off movie fans by releasing several different versions of one film (without telling us in advance), and if 100% identical copies are available at half the price, I can only see the business of bootlegging growing.
     
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    ... I'm a novice to this kind of thing, and whilst I don't condone pirating/copying in any way (I work in the movie business and these guys are taking away my salary!) I've studied those ebay links, and I can't tell that they are copies! Can you guys give some advice and pointers to help me spot this kind of thing? Those DVDs certainly look believable, unlike the dodgy ones I've seen from Thailand etc...

    Mat
     
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    I've worked in the industry for over 20 years,and have to agree they look genuine.However a quick look at the reputable online DVD retailers will show zero listings for this particular item(at least I haven't found any),so it's almost definitely pirate.I say almost definitely as I have a few "sample "items which never made the market.They're probably worth a fortune to the right collector,but I will never sell them-I can't.
    It's worth pointing out that according to FACT,who are the body that fights piracy on behalf of the industry,about 70% of piracy has some connection to drugs,terrorism,or paedophilia.I just hope that the idiots who support piracy are the ones who get targeted by scum such as these people.
    On the eBay issue,surely they are guilty of "conspiracy to commit fraud"by profiting from the sale of pirate items on their site?
     
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    A bloke I work with was going on about a site he'd found where DVDs were only £7 each. He was absolutely convinced that they were genuine, but a quick look at the site showed that they were pirated, as all the covers advertised a DTS soundtrack and the disks were apparently R1.

    I pointed him towards DVDSoon where all the disks are genuine and some of them were actually cheaper than the pirate site!
     
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    I borrowed a copy of Return Of The King that someone at work had got off ebay,he is the sort of bloke who doesn't like to be told anything and despite my repeated attempts at telling him it was fake he just wouldn't have it.
    The funniest this is that the disc said it was R1 on the back yet all the extra language options were far Eastern languages typical of R3 but the disc itself showed as being R0 when I analysed it in my laptop but he still wouldn't have it as being anything other than genuine.
     
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    I think FACT are barking up the wrong tree and have been using that line for too many years to try and make innocent people feel guilty about buying pirated goods, with dual layer burners costing so little more individuals who have no links to terrorism or drugs or any other bad thing will begin to sell pirated goods ( they may even admit to it if EBay don't ban them and why not admit it and say "hey ur getting an identical item to the originals selling in Japan but i'm selling em for £10 cos i need the pocket money to buy more films from Japan cos its my hobby and theyre ever so expensive" ) How many people would accept pirated goods which are identical to the original but have slightly different packaging ? hmmmm i feel a poll coming on.

    Computer software and printers which can duplicate labels (and make them look genuine to all but the most observant) are now more than affordable for the average consumer, i won't buy pirates but then again i don't shop on EBay but i can see the temptation is there for those that want Armageddon DTS (1 example) or some rare title and they find someone willing to burn a copy to dual layer and sell it for a tenner.

    Piracy often flourishes when prices are either too high for people to pay or items are unavailable in a certain country (Such as Superbit Jurassic Park which is unavailable in the UK and now out of print in Japan) The UK consumer is often overcharged on many items compared to the rest of the world and it seems our politicians either don't care or have their hands in the pot (take petrol prices as yet another recent example when world oil prices go up we pay more when they go down we still pay more)

    Ditch regional coding (as the aussies have done) and allow UK business to start selling DVD's from around the world without a BBFC certificate and all the usual hassles and prices would drop as competition got stronger and piracy would dimish (Yes certain distributors want to keep release windows but let them change with the times in a modern world where we can exchange files via the internet with another continent there is no reason to keep some of these silly release windows ) with freedom and choice and no regional coding and UK shops selling world titles i believe the competition ( bulk buying by HMV stores of Japanese titles for example ) would lower the prices and stop the pirates.
     
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    How amusing to see that paedophilia has been added to the list of things connected to piracy.Will FACT stop at nothing to try and put people off of buying pirate material.
    Their old argument about poor quality held no water,as high quality copying of discs and even packaging is now commonplace,so they have to come up more feeble excuses.
    People tight enough to waste pounds(if it is a waste)on counterfeit discs mere months away from a genuine release are unlikely to buy a legit version anyway.The same people probably spend hours downloading garbage from the net and think they have a bargain.FACT 's figures on lost income are exagerrated rubbish
     
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    I didnt even know there was a JP4 in the pipeline - when is it coming out ? Officially that is !!
     

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