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how can i get started on home cinema?

Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by Halloween Jack, Sep 27, 2004.

  1. Halloween Jack

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    hi all, i'm going to move soon and thought i'd upgrade my home entertainment to include a surround sound and possibly a projector.

    first off, i was wondering which sound system to go for. dolby digital etc, which one is best? is it dolby 5.1 surround ex? will that cover all broadcast and dvds?

    also i'm not sure how the amp and speaker system works. i have fairly decent hifi ones (marantz 7200 and b&w 602s) can i incorperate these? or do i need an extra amp and 6 (or is it 5?) speakers?

    thx
     
  2. buzlightyear

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    first things first, how much £££££ do you want to spend, then you can work out what you can get rather than what you could get.
     
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    The simple answer is yes you can incorperate the Marantz and B&W's in your new H/C system. You will need to purchase a A/V amp (depends on your budget here). You could also buy another pair of 602 or get some floor standers like the 602 5 or 603 or even 604:eek: and a LRC60/600 centre and a subwoofer:cool: to get your 5.1 system. The just add speakers untill you get 7.1 or as you desire:devil:
    http://www.bwspeakers.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.ranges/label/Range 600 Series 3
     
  4. Halloween Jack

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    thx for your responses.

    ok, money wise? i'm not sure. i'm actually bundling it up in the new furniture budget :D but vaguely: amp, if it's purely for tv about £200 i would imagine is adequate for me but i'll read a few reviews. speakers same logic, maybe £200-300. projector, £1,000-1,500. tv (crt) maybe £300. dvd recorder £300.

    blimey, that adds up. i'll have to check reviews. a budget system is fine but i don't want to compromise my hifi. i think that what i really need to know from you guys is what actual bits i need, from there i'll work out what to spend where, if you know what i mean.

    so, a few questions, fairly basic but this is almost new to me...

    1) how exactly does my marantz and b&ws fit in? would it be like the dvd would feed the new a/v amp which would feed the new speakers and the marantz. the marantz would then feed the b&ws? so would this mean i would have to adjust 2 sets of volume? is this a pain?

    2) would it be better to get new amp that would directly feed the new speakers and the b&ws? so they would be connected to 2 amps, or is that dodgey?

    3) why would i need another pair of 602s? (are they still going then? i thought i'd had mine for over 7 years?) i was thinking the extra speakers could all be small and kinda hidden?

    4) what's the prevalent sound system? dolby surround or something?

    5) how many speakers are good? can it just be 5.1, 6.1 or 7.1 and is this just a matter of taste? surely 5 speakers should cover you?

    6) what's a LRC60/600 centre?

    7) so 5.1 is a sub, left, right, rear left, rear right. where do the extra ones in 6.1 and 7.1 go?

    ouch, so many questions. sorry, but any input would be appreciated.

    thx guys
     
  5. Dfour

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    OK i will try to answer your questions.
    1/ The marantz will be set to 12 and then the A/V amp volume will the controll the volume. There are plenty of threads on here about how to set it al up.
    2/To keep the stereo sound you like you need to keep the fronts driven by the Marantz and keep the surround amp to drive the rest.
    3/You dont need more 602's i was just suggesting them for total sound cohesion. You will need a B&W centre to keep the front sound tonally correct.
    4/The two main suround options are Dolby and DTS.
    5/5.1 is the minimum for true surround. IMHO i think 6.1 is the best as it fills in the rear sound field :smashin:
    6/ B&W's 6 sereis centre speaker. Look at the link I left. :lesson:
    7/ Centre rear for 6.1 and left and right rear for 7 speaker

    Hope this helps
    :lesson:
     
  6. Halloween Jack

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    thx, that's great, it's starting to make sense.

    1) dfour what do you mean by the marantz will be set to 12? what should i search for to find these setup threads?

    2) is the amp i need to work with the marantz any different to an a/v amp i would need without the marantz? are they both just called a/v amps?

    3) are there any real pro/cons to either setup or is it just to save the hassle of 2 extra speakers?

    4) dfour thanks for that link. yep, so b&ws all round might be nice :)

    5)so is it just the amp that dictates whether you have dolby/dts 5.1 or 6.1 or whatever? not the encoded footage? so i guess i'm best off with dts 6.1?
     
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    OK usually the stereo amps volume control is set to 12 o'clock and then the A/V amps volume is sued to control it all. (theres more to it than that but that the simple explanation) Ive just had a quick search and might suggest it would be easier to pput up a new thread on here about it and someone else direct you to an old thread or just tell you.:)

    2/ no I called it a surround amp for convience. If its a reciever or a A/V amplifier they all do essentially the same job.
    3/ Not quite sure where your going. You will need a B&W centre for a start and 2 speakers to use as surrounds as your basic setup. Its up to you/partner, your wallet, personal choise if they are B&W's or any other make or style of speaker.
    4/ B&W all round would be :smashin: esp a nice set of DS6 S3's as surrounds would be superb:devil:.http://www.bwspeakers.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.models/label/MODEL DS6 S3
    5/NO . The amp dictates IF you can use the formats named. All dvd's are encoded in Dolby Digital in some way or another. Some have additional DTS tracks which you will need an amp capable of decoding them to use. Please dont ask which is better as it keeps getting asked in these forums and usually starts wars ok

    Just as an idea how much where you thinking of spending on the A/V amp?
     
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    For £400 i got a Pioneer VSX-D814k receiver and a pair of S-H510 floorstanders.Budget set but it caters for most surround formats and the speakers drop to 30Hz so i dont need a sub,which saves room.The amp sets all speakers up for you,so you can jump straight in and learn later.
     
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    Hi,

    You need whatever A/V Amp you buy to have pre-outs for all of the channels so that you can bipass the internal amplifiers and plumb them into your Marantz 7200 stereo amp.

    If you are using a projector and you don't just want your DVD's to go to it. ie you want Sky or whatever to go to it as well it's probably easiest and neatest to do that via a A/V amp as well plumb it all in and let that do the switching. So a amp wtih Component input and output would be quite good.

    Build up a list of the requirements that you NEED then get an amp that has all of these. It's not worth spending £200 or £300 on amp and then finiding out it doesn't do quite what you wanted it to do and your left feeling a bit frustrated at your purchase, if you need to go that bit more and it covers all you want then it's worth it long term.

    Stuff like the Yamaha 750, or the Denoon 2805, are probably quite a good level to look at but your talking around £450ish
     
  10. Halloween Jack

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    thx guys. but i think i might be more confused :(

    dfour what i meant be point 3 is that i'm imagining there's two basic ways of setting this up. one is to keep the hifi separate and the new a/v amp feeding say 6 speakers. this would leave me with 8 speakers in my room. or to incorporate the hifi amp so the a/v amp just feeds 4 speaker directly and so only 6 speakers in my room. have i completely missed the idea here? how do most people have thier h/c? i would've thought most people would want to minimise speakers.

    booktruck when you say component i guess you mean component video? is that rgb? that would be handy i had no idea some amps allowed you to switch video sources with your audio. that'd be great.

    budget wise? i'm still not sure. ideally i'd get a dvd recorder, a/v amp, 4 more speakers, a widescreen 28'' crt, a projector and cables. so i guess i'll need to get cheap stuff all round. possibly spash on the projector and dvd if anything.

    gotta work out what i need first then i'll look at prices.

    thx fellas
     
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    Uhm, this has triggered a thought in my mind. I am looking at the Denon AVR1604 or Yamaha DSP-AX640SE (both same budget mark as you). I too will be purchasing a set of B&W 602s3 (f) + 600s3 (r) + LCR60 (c). I currently have a NAD 302 Amp - will this be redundant when I acquire my AV or can the NAD be put to good use in the set up?
     
  12. Dfour

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    I would recommend the Yamaha over the 1604. It will be better in H/C then the Denon and with the preouts it will be better in stereo as well.

    The nad can be used to drive the front speakers in stereo and in H/C using the pre-outs on the ax640SE. I am not sure the denon has pre-outs so if it hasnt the Nad will be redundant. The 640 is not to good in stereo so you would be advised to keep the nad.:)

    Halloween Jack you would be advised to intergrate the AV amp and the stereo amp together unless you have loads a money, space and want a major dose of cable fairies :(
     

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