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How big can an HT room be before it's too big?

Discussion in 'Home Cinema Speakers' started by Mark Ward, May 16, 2002.

  1. Mark Ward

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    Bored at work so I'm sitting here pondering...

    My current HT setup is in my living room.
    26ft X 15ft X 9ft = 3510 Cubic ft.

    Advantages:-
    Sounds great already!

    Disadvantages:-
    Bedrooms are directly above and I have kids.
    Can't go 7.1 because of doors/windows/fireplace
    Can't go bigger Screen/Display for same reasons

    My new room, which I've done nothing to over the past 12 months is MASSIVE.
    Advantages:-
    Completely blank room, can put stuff where I like.
    Can fit 7.1 (all full size) with ease and I get to use my 2 big B&W THX subs
    Can fit full front projection
    Not anywhere near bedrooms or other main living rooms so no volume level issues.

    Disdvantages
    Going to cost lots on building work/cabling & equipment
    Having measured and done my sums the main part of the new room is 13,500 Cubic Ft!!! That's 42 X 20 X 19(Pitched). I've checked my sums twice. (Think stone barn attached to house).

    The Big question... Is it possible to fill such a big space with good HT sound on a modest(ish) budget? Or should I just get used to keeping the volume down in the evening in the other room?

    Approx HT Budget (Audion & Visual) £10k at a push. I'll eventually replace and upgrade when I can, but this is as much as I can do to start with.

    I'm not after lists of kit I could get, merely whether it would be achievable inthis space.

    Thanks,

    Mark.
     
  2. Reiner

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    Well, you can build your own cinema and get your visitors to pay for watching a movie! :D

    Sounds great but I must admit it's HUGE. Any possibility of putting a ceiling, i.e. create two levels?

    What about rear projection? Not a RPTV but a PJ shooting from the back by having a dedicated room for all the equipment and thus shortening the lenght?

    Perhaps add a bar or seperate lounge to it.

    Just some ideas, no expert in this area ...


    Can you take a pic and post it here?
     
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    I've never heard of size being a problem :blush:
    hence cinemas are a major market for Dobly and DTS.

    I would suggest that accoustic problems will be the primary issue, so maybe some of your budget should go on soft furnishings, scatter cushions, you know the kind of thing;)

    also, to use that space properly, you'll need a big screen, which will probably eat into a couple of thou,

    is that area big enough to create a couple of different seating areas, to avoid the cinema feel?


    s0d the pic, when's the party?
     
  4. Mark Ward

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    Hi Reiner

    I posted these photos some while ago when I stupidly thought I could just set up my current kit and replace when I could afford to.

    http://www.wcarrot.demon.co.uk/sc2images/bight.jpg

    http://www.wcarrot.demon.co.uk/sc2images/bigroom2.jpg

    I've done nothing to the room for around a year, but have spent a lot of time thinking about it.

    Putting in a lower ceiling would really spoil the look of the room. A balconied mezzanine floor at the far end would be possible but more expense that I can spare.

    Basically a coat of paint, some cheap curtain & vertical blinds and some sofas is about all I intend to do to the room for now.

    The screen will have to go in front of the window at the far end.

    Even things like decent bi-amp speaker cable and component connectors get to scarey amounts of money on this scale.

    The 13,500 Cubic ft doesn't include the snooker room bit, that has wooden shutters to block it off and I'll hang a very curtain across it as well.

    My biggest concern is that I have great sound in my other HT (living room) and I don't want to take too much of a drop in sound quality.

    http://www.wcarrot.demon.co.uk/sc1images/room.jpg

    But the screen in the current room is in front of a boarded up fireplace I have to open up again (women! Pah!). I could put a plasma above, but that still won't change the fact I can't go more than 5.1 and I have to keep the noise down a bit at night.

    Bonsey Said:-
    We alreay had it! Didn't you get your invitation? The room was fully decorated before the party! :D

    Mark.
     
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    look at the size of that -

    stuff the AV, set up an indoor go kart track !
    I guess £10K will get you a dozen cones and two decent karts- how :cool: ?
     
  6. Mark Ward

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    Don't you start too! The wife wants to put a pool in there, she reckons it'd be cheaper than what I'll end up spending on kit.

    She's right of course, but thankfully she doesn't read these forums.

    Mark.
     
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    Yeh, go for the pool, then you can invite us all round, i'm sure we could put together a little system so we could have a bit of music while we're swimming......;)

    Nice pad, what you have there is something i only dream about, till them 6 numbers come up....:cool:

    Gotta go i'm turning a funny shade of GREEN

    bob
     
  8. Mark Ward

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    Can we all accept that a pool is NOT going in this room?
    Thanks, I never dreamed I'd end up with a place like this. But this is what happens when you buy a ruin. This was bought as an utter wreck (no heating, electric, light, roof etc. but with woodworm, dry rot, damp and I've spent 6 years (and a few quid) so far doing it up.

    This place is the main reason I have to justify every penny I spend on HT. Something that's pretty hard to do when your current setup sounds pretty damned good.

    I REALLY want to use the big room for HT but it's physical size may prove as much a limitation as the cost of doing the work.

    I hate to think how much carpet is gonna cost!

    Mark.

    PS. I'll say it again....NO POOL!!!!
     
  9. Bert Coules

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    Mark, in your position I'd be on the phone to the Discovery Home and Leisure channel, telling them the setup and asking if they're interested in making a DIY series about the conversion.

    Throw in a few mentions of the size of the hobby, the numbers on this and similar forums and the circulation figures of the mags and they might well bite. Think of the sponsorship/advertising deals with the various manufacturers and retailers...

    Bert
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  10. Mark Ward

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    Hi Bert, this is one avenue I looked into some while ago with the BBC and a Home Cinema mag. I always remember seeing Terry Christian on TV saying he refused to do "Through the Keyhole" because he could mentally picture all the local tearaways making a shopping list of his stuff.

    I had thought about seeing if Kef (Factory in Maidstone) would consider some kind of very special deal in return for limited access though. It would be a pretty amazing space filled with Kef 207s! :D and I've been a regular Kef customer for 23 years.

    Hmmm, Granada Home & Leisure eh? I must admit, if there was a series showing someone else's HT convertion I'd watch it...Better get me a sky box! and a calculator!

    Cheers,

    Mark.
     
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    Mark, Home and Leisure have done (and are still doing) similar series, all based around one man's (or one family's) extended DIY/hobby project. The nearest recent one to a home cinema conversion, in terms of specialist interest, the combination of DIY/building skills and more "hobbified" knowledge was probably "Garden Railway", which followed a chap who'd inherited a load of large-scale German electric model railway gear as he designed and constructed a model railway round his garden. As well as straightforward "how to do it" segments, he was filmed as he travelled round meeting other enthusiasts, seeing what they'd done, picking up hints and tips on different approaches, that sort of thing.

    The series (15 half-hours) was produced by an independent company, Positive Film and Television. It couldn't hurt to get in touch, if the idea interests you:

    Positive Film & Television
    PO Box 4219
    FREEPOST 29 LON20448
    LONDON
    W1E 7JN

    They don't seem to have a web presence, but Directory Enquiries should be able to turn up a phone number.

    Incidentally, I make a small slip in my earlier post: it's Discovery (not Granada) Home and Leisure.

    If you decide to pursue it - good luck!

    Bert
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  12. Reiner

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    Beautiful room! Imagined it as a two-storey open hall, i.e. without that original nice ceiling. Of course no way to install a false ceiling and hide it!
    Probably need to hang some drapers (?) or similar instead. Might be some work your wife can do!?
    But I think it's better to ask an expert and looking at it (now that I have seen the pics) I guess you are going to blow the budget for sure.

    A lot of things I could imagine to do with the room, nearly too nice to convert it into a home cinema.
    If nothing helps you could always convert it into a chapel. :D
     
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    Mark

    The other thing to consider is can the Amp/Processor cope with the distances between each speaker (the delay times).

    My Denon lets you sit a maximum of 4.5 M from each speaker, whilst this might not be a problem with the left & right surrounds, it could be if you are sat a good distance from the fronts.

    Just a thought!!:)

    Jase
     
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    Just get 10 meaty power amps and a few subwoofers, pile it all up and there you go! ;)
     
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    That is one HELL of a room mate!!!!!!!!! What is you do (professionally)? What ever it is I want to do it!!! What about if you use the end of the room for HT, and keep the rest, SNOOKER TABLE! side as another room use a couple of floor standers as the visual divide. cunning use of speakers pointed at the sweet spot will sound great as long as you are in it, crappy everywhere else mind
    PS you arent looking to recruit any graduates soon are you?;)
     
  16. Mark Ward

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    Going completely OT here but I'll chance it....I'm a screen writer........Kidding...... boring old veg salesman, very unglamourous really, but I've always bought run down houses (since I was 18) done them up and moved up as a result. This one is the biggest financial stretch I've ever gone for and I'd like to stay here for good.
    I am intending to use just the end of the room for the HT viewing really, I only need to seat 8 people tops. The snooker table is actually in another room directly behind and wasn't included in the 13,500 cubic ft of space I calculated. There is a pool table in this room (for the kids) I got given it free, but ya don't play on a 6ft pool table when there's a full size snooker table in the next room :D

    Mark.
     
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    Did you say VEG salesman as in fruit and veg or am I missing something. Take end of the room fireplace to wall and draw a rectangle, put a floor stander in each corner and PJ on the roof or back wall, get some heavy curtains on the windows put a sofa in the middle and play your fave DVDs if it sounds pants oh well if it is good but needs tweaking you know where to start. I think your room is unique and as such there is no common solution, look at commercial AV installations or converted churches, I know a few unis have bought old churches and turned them into lecture theatres they or their installer may know how to fill such a large space with good accoustics. Or swap the snooker table room to HT and put the snooker table in the big room. A mate of mines dad a a snooker room built in his garden, they used the plans from a 2 bed bungalow and it worked brilliantly, Toilet, Kitchen, Bar and the rest was the snooker table with 3 green Chesterfeilds round the outside! nicest bungalow i had ever been in!
     

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