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Hitler - The Rise of Evil

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  1. loz99

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    Any of you guys see the mini series on Channel 4 last night?
    'Hitler - The Rise of Evil'. 2nd part is on next Saturday evening.

    I personally thought it very good - it looked very authentic - even though a few historic facts ommitted.

    Well if anyone is interested you can get it on dvd 16:9 enhanced.
    Anamorphic.
    but only on Region 4 at the moment from any of the Australian Websites right now. Dvd Crave have it for £11 approx' inc' postage.
    Should be on Reg2 within a couple o' weeks
    I ordered the reg4 version immediately - I like reg4 dvds.
    It's 179mins long made for TV Movie.
    Robert Carlisle, Mathew Modine & Liev Schreiber all play their
    parts excellent.

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  2. briandzo

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    Im a big WW2 buff.. my collection originally was stuck to this genre.

    i heard about this TV movie only last week by doing some chance surfing. i then noticed it was due for release on dvd in a couple of weeks (@play region 2). so i ordered it.

    then as i was looking thru digiguide last night, i noticed it was on the box.

    kind of spooky all in all

    anyway i didnt watch it as i wait for the dvd to arrive.

    a search in IMdb gives it a reasonable review
    http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0346293/
     
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    I thought this show was good too. Although it's received a pasting elsewhere, i quite enjoyed it.
     
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    I have to say, I thought it stank. About 30 minutes into the first episode I started thinking "I don't know if I am actually going to have the endurance to sit through this to the end." I stuck it out for another hour or so, but then just couldn't stand it any more and gave up.

    Robert Carlyle is a talented actor, and does look a little like Hitler, but vocally he's wrong - voice not harsh and gravelly enough - and the body language always seemed forced, and put-on. You often have this problem when an actor is supposed to impersonate a real person who, himself, has been extensively documented - the look and movements are all set in stone rather than something that can be adjusted to suit the actor and the role.

    And Hitler, when it comes down to it, is not actually an interesting character. The events which led to somebody like that becoming the ruler of Germany are interesting - but Hitler himself was simply a not very intelligent thug with a huge (and presumably psychotic) level of antisemitism. I don't think he was actually a very interesting person. A charismatic speaker, certainly, but at a personal level...? I just don't think there really was anything there to explore or portray.

    So once you've heard Carlyle-as-Hitler ranting about jews, that's pretty much it - the whole of the rest of the performance is just more of the same.

    And the script is just... fragmentary. There's no structure to it at all. One thing happens after another, but there's no analysis of why, no apparent point being made, no direction. Ultimately it's just frustrating and annoying, when it ought to be a fascinating historical documentary.
     
  5. loz1

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    I think you're being a bit harsh. I thought Carlyle was very good although I must admit I'm no history buff so cannot comment on how much of it was based on fact.
     
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    I Haven't seen the second half of this TV Movie, I'm looking forward to it tomorrow evening. I'm also eagerly awaiting the Dvd.
    This is a difficult subject to cover via a TV Movie in 3 hours, it's also not everyone's favourite topic. One has to have been a long time WW2 buff to want to watch this type of thing in the first place. It's not a documentary so don't expect 100% historical accuracy. I think it's meant to give one a window into the past to try to give one a feeling of what it was like during this horrific period of time - I think it certainly does that very well. It would be near impossible to convey Adolph Hitler's mindset or the forces manipulating him for that matter in any movie or documentary.
    I couldn't imagine any actor in the world being able to portray
    on screen the role of Hitler 100% perfectly, he was just too huge
    a personality to encompase. Hitler's personality was monstrous
    even diabolic.
    Robert Carlisle himself wasn't the perfect choice here agreed but
    who would have been? Hopkins? Even Hopkins would'nt have been big enough, Even Olivier at his best would have fallen short.
    The best a TV Movie of this genre can do is to try to create feeling of the times, of the type of person (or devil) that was Adolph Hitler and the Nazi regime. Nero & Caligula have been well covered in movies in the past very well but Adolph Hitler has never ever been done to everyone's satisfaction - He was just too complex & too powerful a personality to capture on screen. So I applaud the Director & Producers of this great little effort,
    not to mention Carlisle,Liev Schrieber & Mathew Modine, for having the courage to do this dramatisation to begin with!!
    For more historical accuracy I will continue to watch documentaries naturally.
    That is all.

    Loz99
     
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    Loz99

    have you ever seen the ducumentary 'shoah'
    this is available on dvd for a pricey £65 aprox.
    9 hours of holocaust experiences.
    im tempted to buy it but the price is ummmm well a lot.
     
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    Hi Briandzo,
    I've never even heard of this series but I must check it out!
    The Shoah/Holocaust is a very intriging subject matter, one that's
    always captured my imagination.
    It's an enormous vast topic and one that should never be forgotten.
    An old mate of mine thinks ww2 is old hat and should be forgotten - not my opinion Sir - not ever! coz History has been proven to cruelly repeat itself too many times.
    Too many sacfriced too much for us to have the liberty we have today.

    Back to Hitler - The Rise ot Evil.
    Robert Carlisle did o.k. with a part many actors would have avoided at all costs.
    That is all.

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    for any info on shoah, start here
    http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0090015/
    DVD pacific Members Price: £64.94

    WW2 is why my dvd collection was started.
    it just blew out of all proportion, now im a collector of a range of themes.

    check out my collection below, theres a lot of good material in there.

    if you havnt seen 'when trumpets fade' then i couldnt recomend this enough. a brilliant film. only £4.49 delivered @play ......
     
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    I think I will move this to DVDTalk as it is probably more relevant there...
     
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    Thanks for the pointers Briandzo, I must get When trumpets fade it sounds great.
    was looking at your list, you've some interesting titles especially the documentaries.
    What program do you use for the listings, I've a 200+ list which would benefit from a database like yours?

    That Shoah series looks terrific but a wee bit pricey.
    That is all

    loz99

    Why wasn't I born into a rich family?
     
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    See, that's the thing: I totally disagree with that. I think Hitler was a very ordinary, small, mundane person, whose personal psychosis happened to be in tune with popular hysteria at the time. It is very seductive to imagine that was something truly exceptional about him, something so extraordinary that it would impossible for what happened in Germany in the 20s and 30s ever to happen again.

    But I think this is an unrealistically cosy view. I think that what happened in Germany could happen anywhere. There was nothing different about the German people, and nothing exceptional about the Nazi leaders. Look at what's happening in parts of Britain today where they're electing BNP candidates to local councils. At present this on a microscopic scale compared to Nazi Germany, but all you have to do is magnify the unhappiness and the poverty and the resentment - ruin the British economy in the way that the treaty of Versailles ruined Germany - and the same thing could easily happen here, with our own local version of Hitler, who would be just as dislikeable and small as the real one.
     
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    Adoph Hitler was no ordinary little guy in the street, sure He was the son of a common customs official, sure he was only a corporal in the german army. He grew into what he became not
    out of chance but by destiny. He was without doubt, possessed.
    He was a political genius, not just at manipulating & instilling terror & controlling those around him but visionary & inspirational
    in his ideals (Mein Kampf etc etc). He was idolised by the german
    populace like no other Germanic person before or since.
    Throughout post war history many have likened him to Anti Christ.
    You are absolutely correct in your opinion that the social conditions in Germany that opened the door of opportunity for
    The National Socialist Party (Nazis) could indeed happen anywhere. You are right to point this out but nothing could possibly convince me that Adolph Hitler was a mere symtom or
    product of these conditions - I honestly believe without doubt
    that this man was indeed a devil incarnate and many thousands
    of people living or dead hold and have held this view also.
    I enjoyed reading your reply NicolausB, it was a very intelligent
    assessment. I'm not the world's expert on this subject but that's
    just the way I see things.
    Another point to mention and it is important, Hitler was not controlled by The Nazi Party - He Controlled and manipulated it
    into what he wanted it to be. When He went on to talk of establishing a Reich (Empire) that would last for a Thousand Years
    and all his Anti Semetic teachings (although not entirely original)
    These were not the words of a little oportunist but of a Madman.
    Just look at the Nuremberg Rallies and his Speechs and His body language and the reactions of his audiences, the devotion of his
    subordinates & followers - they literally worshipped him.
    That is all.

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    Briandzo,
    Just watched a little gem of a movie earlier this morning on TV about
    Nazis etc well actually it's about this guy who's a U.S. spy who agrees to go to Nazi Germany to take on the cover role of a Nazi Radio Propangandist and to broadcast hidden code messages to the Allies via his Broadcasts. Problem is He becomes so good at being the Nazi Broadcaster that he convinces everyone he's for real.
    He becomes hated and despised by all Anti Nazis everywhere
    and loved by all the Nazis themselves. The Jews seek his hide
    so to speak and after the war he's treated as a war criminal.
    He returns to New York to seek anonymity but this can't last for long as his past just keeps catching up with him etc etc.
    It's a smashing original plot with many twists & turns.

    The Movie is called 'Mother Night' 1996 starring Nick Nolte.
    Check it out on IMDB asap!
    It's available to buy on region 1 dvd it's 16:9 anamorphic widescreen, if I recall correctly, don't know why they showed it Fullscreen on TV.

    I think you can get it for about £11 from Dvdsoon.

    I thoroughly enjoyed this movie and I believe you will too.
    If you haven't already seen this movie , then for Pete's sake
    make a point of buying it - You'll not regret it!! Honest!
    It's a little Gem! (BTW NicolasB, You might enjoy it too).
    Nick Nolte is superb in this very intriguing and original story taken from a novel.
    Nick Nolte seems to be producing his best performances in the twilight of his career.
    That is all

    loz99
     
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    'mother night' Couldn't agree more. i already have this one. picked it up from DVdpacific a while ago.

    Here the link for the dvd listing software.
    its free to download. a great bit of s/w and easy to use and update. has a useful wishlist too.
    http://www.dvdprofiler.com/dvdpro/index.html

    Did you watch P.O.W on itv last night. I wasnt that impressed with it. i thought the acting was poor. not sure if ill be tuning into this one again next week.
     
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    Hi Briandzo,
    Had a feeling you'd like 'Mother Night' it was a well structured
    movie.

    I mean't to watch P.O.W. but forgot which night it was showing,
    only got to watch last 15 minutes of it (where the guy goes on fire etc and the German soldier eventually puts him out of his misery). The guy acting the role of the RAF POW just didn't
    convince me at all, he looked too modern day, too trendy or
    something for the part, something didn't seem right.
    One would at least expect a captured, interrogated pow to
    look cold, tired, bruised a little, worn out,shabby and even
    possibly a little under nourished - you know what I mean! :)
    even demoralised - in a state of bewilderment dazed even.
    There was something missing here wasn't there?
    Can't see me wanting a dvd of this - not yet anyway.
    I might watch it again next Friday just out of curiousity but
    I feel I need to see more of this series to judge it properly coz
    like yourself, I wasn't impressed at all, We'll see.
    Having said that, there have been quite a few movies that I
    didn't like first time but on 2nd or 3rd viewing really got to like,
    even love, e.g. Thin Red Line was one of them.
    That is all

    loz99
     
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    Watched Second & final part of 'Hitler - The Rise of Evil'.
    was well pleased with it. Looking forward to arrival of the dvd.
    Those hateful commercials really spoilt it for me.
    I really hope they do a follow up to this movie coz Carlisle was
    getting progressively better the longer it went on.
    Mathew Modine was exeptional, best I've ever seen from him.

    That is all

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    Another great find......

    'Silent night' (2002) from play @7.99

    this is a cracker of a 'tv' movie based in the ardennes during ww2.
    i highly recommend this to fans of the genre.

    basically its about 3 yanks and 3 german soldiers that all end up in this hut for christmas. initial tensions are relieved by their host.
    what makes it better is that its based on a true story.

    similar to 'a midnight clear' but better.

    http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0338434/
     
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    sounds similar to "Hell In The Pacific"

    except this one is about a Japanese and an American soldier.

    Incrediable film, almost a silent movie, as the two adversaries turned friends can do little to communicate verbally.

    A true gem if you ever happen by it. Stars Toshiro Mifune too i think, an incrediable actor, frequented many a Kurosawa film. :)
     

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