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Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by andya, Jun 12, 2003.

  1. andya

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    hi there im thinking of buying this plasma but could do with a bit of help,first can i connect my comp to one of the 2 d connectors and can i get a connector from the other d sub which will give me scarts like a scart box ,i want to connect dvd player which is component xbox,psx2,gamecube,svhs video recorder.at the moment on my tv ive got a scart box with 4 scarts,thats why im wandering if there is something like this for the plasma.was thinking of getting the new sony t2 42 inch which has got scarts.only thing is hitachi £2500 sony £3300 and they more than likely use the same glass.sorry for rambling on but id rather get help of this forum than go into a highstreet store who really know what they are talking about lol
     
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    The Hitachi 400E will not accept AV signals through the d-sub connectors. You can connect via a RGB to component connvertor and switch component via an AV amp. Hitachi market a similar screen for about £3k with an AV box the 42PD3000 with scarts etc.

    Remember you need to factor in the cost of stands and convertor boxes etc when making comparing prices. The all in solutions include those.
     
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    oh yes it will the hitach monitor only has two d-sub connectors that are rgb enabled:nono:
     
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    Oh no it won't

    Go to www.hitachidifgitalmedia.com and you will see that the d-sub connectors only accept a minimum frequency of 24kHz as against the 15kHz output by the RGB connector boxes. Check Dr John's site as well and you will see he reccomends the use of a RGB to Component box.
     
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    Having got a PMA 400, and tried, (foolishly as it turns out) to use a syncblaster cable to take advantage of the D-sub input, I can catagorically state that it does not work, with either a DVD or Sky plus box, as stated the input is incompatible with the 15 khz put out by the cable, shame I wasn't told that by the cable provider, even when telling them how I proposed to use it, only later did they admit that it would not work!
     
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    does any one know how to raise the output to 24khz or above so that the screen will take sky or cable or is there a box??:suicide:
     
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    You could do it with a pro-v but you only get composite or s-video connections, not to mention the pro-v being a bit down market for use with a plasma, though I've used them when nothing else will do with reasonable results. Really you'd be better to put your hand further in your pocket and buy a better screen, or an ex-demo if you are tight for funds. Fujitsu, NEC, Pioneer and panasonic screens all accept 15khz via RGB d-sub, with varying results it has to be said. Check out www.rgbtosvideo.com and choose a screen he lists!
     
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    you really should research a luttle before telling people to put then hand in there pocket and but a better plasma as you state.
    one thing to point out the Hitachi model has had best buy reveiws ect and is nymber one screen in many lists.
    Surely you are not claiming that all these people do not know what they are talking about? :thumbsdow
     
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    Well actually most of the reviews I've read I've not been impressed with. As an 'owner' of 44 plasmas, I've seen the lot, and I'm the poor joker who has to put the picture on the screen that their temorary custodian demands. I consider myself experienced in these matters, though my technical expertise may not rank with Mr Fernand, or Gordon. I wouldn't touch the Hitachi regardless of reviews, the picture I can get on one comes nowhere close to the big 4, and it's hard work. Some people may be happy with them, but it's a free speech area here, and those are my thoughts on the Hitachi. Look elsewhere.
     
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    MAW - What specifically is wrong with the Hitachi's, compared with the "big 4" ?
    Regards.
     
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    Murky whites, grey blacks, vga input problematic with pc's, both H-Synch with scart 15khz, and that 1024 x 1024 res, it just doesn't cut it with even my Radeon 9500. You cannot address the screen pixels, it's actually a 1024 x 768 panel with 'software interpolation to 1024 sq' which makes it a pig, basically.
     
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    Hi MAW

    Want to use DVD via component 20% of time rest with Sky+ S-Vid or Scart. Do not get terrestrial TV. Have game consoles but less worried about these, can route through an amp and output composite or whatever.

    You seem like a no bull***t guy so which is the best 42 plasma for me and with what adapter if needed.

    Advice appreciated.

    Gus
     
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    I'd consider an MXE, or the new NEC VP4 You are another'local boy' for Joe Fernand, give him a ring at TMF for a second opinion, just got 2 of the NEC's, very pleased, and a 3 yr warranty too! 2 sets of component inputs so if your s-vid from sky is not good enough, you could use a js component box, and pc or x-box to VGA, ps2's can do s-vid too, the adapter is a tenner on Amazon.
     
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    Regarding the Hitachi screens every person is entitled to their opinion. You can take MAW's word or the reviewer at WVlabs whose opinion was very different - I quote "Black parts of the picture actually look black, peak whites look scintillatingly bright but controlled" - John Archer in the June HCC review of the PMA400E. You pays your money....

    The ideal is to look at the screens in action as when I did just that I could not tell the difference in black levels between the Pioneer and the Hitachi beside it. However I preferred the smoother picture on the Hitachi and it was over £500 cheaper. The reason I went for the 42PD3000 version over the 42PMA400 was that I needed better connectivity.

    After having read these forums for a couple of months I have come to two conclusions

    1) No screen is perfect
    2) Plasma technology is still in its early stages of development so opinons formed 6 months back can be out of date
     
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    I'll be able to re-form my opinion today and every day. The factor with the greatest influence is the video signal and how you send it. It's easy in a shop environment to sell one particular screen over another, just tweak the settings according to what's in stock.The reviewers don't always tell you exactly how it's connected, whith what leads, and they certainly never use JS boxes, probably just composite video for Sky. I have no regard whatever for jounalistic integrity or independence, many of the reviewers would appear never to have seen a plasma before, admittedly not the one mentioned here... When I see a review of a screen, it often appears that they have reviewed a completely different model to the ones I see!
     
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    chrise

    I have to concur with MAW on this one.

    It is notoriously difficult to get a proper demonstration of a plasma display in many retail outlets and as plasma becomes 'mainstream' the requirements of your display become more specialised and we start to factor in 'in life' requirements; were getting past the 'I must have at any costs stage'.

    In many respects you want the 'Plasma' component of your Display or TV to do nothing (or as near to nothing as possible) and its then down to looking at the inbuilt video processing which you will probably use initially for your various video inputs (how good is it with SKY, DVD, Progressive DVD) and how easy is it to bypass the internal processing at some future date when you may consider an upgrade using an external processor.

    I must say that choosing a display because of its input options would not be a major factor for me - when you consider we have Panasonic displays in systems with ten or more video sources and all inputting on only two video Inputs (VGA and YUV) its not too difficult these days to use your AV amp or similar as a 'down stream' video switcher. (the main fly in the Panasonic bag being its doesn't offer DVI as a viable PC input in Home Entertainment systems - step forward Pioneer MXE)

    Like MAW I get to view pretty much most displays that come to the market (the manufacturers and there distributors know who we are - even us small independents) and for me the Pioneer and Panasonic are still best for Home Entertainment use - I actually just received the NEC VP4 yesterday and initial impressions are very good.

    Like MAW I find Hitachi and Fujitsu a very mixed bag of good and bad and have customers who have screens from both manufacturers - we've even supplied a few; though I always point out what weaknesses I see with these models and then its down to our customers to make a choice based upon there individual requirements.

    Like most I'm looking forward to the new 6 Series Panasonic displays - though I have a feeling we wont see much of a leap in video quality but will see some major refinements of what's come before. As Panasonic say they got it right from the word go and everyone else is playing catch up.

    Best regards

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    Joe you make several strong points with which I agree. I was challenging MAW on saying that the blacks and whites were poor on Hitachi screens where several reviewers have said the precise opposite. I quoted John Archer's review as an example.

    Store demos are difficult but limited comparisons are possible between similarly set-up screens so long as you keep your eyes open.

    Suggest we agree to differ on what we each want from a screen. The market will grow as Plasmas become mainstream and there will be room for both the specialist supplier and the national retailers. I am sure your business will prosper at the higher end. My pocket and taste is upper mid market.
     
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    i never question any ones views after all were human and will all have different views but to claim reviews from home cinema choice, what tv-video, and other large magazies that have reviewed the hitachi and rank it number one in all lists.
    now you are saying that these people never see plasma screens, well i disagree, they see more then most but not always more then everyone.
    yes it would be nice for these reviews to mention what it was plugged into with what cables ect.
    as for the js stuff, most people get the screen rush home, await delivery and then just plug in there scart or s-vhs lead and never look or even think of after market boxes and leads so i say review them with the worst leads and if the review is high then the screen can only get better.
    by the way try the plasma into component with high quality dvd player and then give us your opion on the hitachi, blow you away
     
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    Sorry John, I've read the book, seen the film and tried the pie, don't like it, it's simply not as good as the aforementioned IMHO. With component progressive the PW5 is as near as dammit impossible to beat, maybe try a 503MXE with a top class scaler, or when I've finished playing with the NEC I'll change my mind, but I'm not holding my breath.
     
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    just dont like the panasonic plasmas i can notice the flicker and just wont have it.ive got a 24 inch sony monitor set at 100 hertz and cant stand any sort of flicker.i may leave the plasma root and go the lcd root maybe a 42inch lcd in the next 6 months at £3000 i think the hitachi 400e is good for the price £2500 but plasmas just have to many niggles screen burn e.t.c
     
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    Ah well, that's why the progressive scan. You don't see flicker then. Or you could wait another month or so and get a 433 MXE in silver (only grey at present) 100Hz, no flicker, progressive input too. Not quite as black as a PW5, but a lot better than any LCD I've yet seen, though I'm sure they will improve as they get more mainstream. The sharp 30" is not bad, though the pic looks not quite as 'real' as a plasma to me.
     
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    out of all the plasmas ive seen i thought the 433 MXE was the best for detail and connections and not to bad for black levels if the price was £2800 or under i would buy one i saw the 30 inch lg lcd ,very good but just to small a screen
     
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    i went and looked at the pioneer, black not as good as hitachi, panasonic well if you like flicker buy a flicker book its cheaper hitachi, black is black white is white and guess whats next, no flicker.:thumbsdow
     
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    I was gonna go for the panny 5 but the flicker put me right off :eek:

    There's no way i'm paying that much money for a plasma that flickers!!

    I'm well happy with my hitachi pma400e :D


    dvd
     
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    The best bit about this is we can all make our own choices. Me, I chose something else... No, not heroin addiction, a projector. I have enough of plasma at work.
     

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