HIsense announce massive 4K HDR TV in time for Euro 2016

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    1. hodg100

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      please review this one AVF!
       
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      I'm gonna need a bigger living room
       
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      Wondering whether to replace my projector with this, only lose a little bit of size from the maximum my projector can put in the wall given the throw distance
       
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      Im gonna need a bigger house
       
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      I'm gunna need a bigger TV stand.


      Seriously, why put feet at the ends!? A central stand would be so much more compatible with the majority of people's AV units.

      Maybe it's just too unstable that way.......
       
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      If they didn't make them so thin and flimsy then central stands would be OK. What is it with the thin is beautiful anyway? Give me a bit of meat and curves any day.
       
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      My thoughts exactly, I expect this TV will be better than even a good projector. If they could do 85 inch (my PJ screen is 84 at the moment) for £3,500 that would be fantastic.
       
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      This is great but what's the picture going to be like?
       
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      Yes the most I can get out of a projector in my room is 82/83 so 75 isn't exactly a massive drop, and it means easier use during the day too, I've wanted to add an extra window into the home cinema for a while as it's very dark even with the curtains and blinds open, however the projector housing gets in the way, plus replacing the screen would let me put all my AV equipment in the cupboard under the stairs, which is just on the other side of the wall.
       
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      Excuse my ignorance but how can a 400 nit tv be considered hdr when the normal tv is 400 nits.surely there needs to be a contrast to have high dynamic range? Unless the tv is dim most of the time.
       
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      Also will I have to use for example the panasonic 4k blu ray player to downscale the data to 400 nits to make it compatible with the tv or will the tv do it automatically due to the hdmi being 2.0a?
       
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      does it come with a sat tuner and ci slot? Tivusat are showing 8 uhd euro 2016 games
       
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      This is my understanding of HDR, I may be wrong

      Having seen a 400 nit HDR tv there's a huge difference when it's running HDR content vs a standard 4K tv, obviously it won't be potentially as extreme as a 1000 nit tv, but as has been said HDR isn't simply about maximum brightness, but about improving the contrast.

      A 400 nit HDR tv will have to map 1000 nit content, which means a decision needs to be made whether to clip the brightness and effectively make it white, for example rather than say bright red or orange if it were a fire, or crush a shadow into black, whereas it may be visible on 1000 nit, but equally it could reduce the inner range and still show it as bright red/orange, in the case of a fire, but then the differences in the midrange would be less pronounced.

      HDR isn't about blinding you with extreme brightness, it's about enabling a greater contrast before a colour clips, 400 nits has fewer grades than say 1000, or dolbys 4000 but just because this pixel block is graded on the disc as 3200, or 2 nit doesn't mean a 400 nit tv can't show it, it just needs to map the whole picture as a whole to enable that difference.

      Which is why dolbys option is quite interesting as it guarantees the mapping at different tv capabilities so a director knows what their film would look like on a 400, 500, 1000 and 4000 nit tv from the outset. The HDR 10 setting allows individual manufacturers to map as they see fit so you may find that Samsung looks better than Panasonic at one level and Sonys better at another.
       
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      Very good explanation thank you for that.
      Is it true that could lead to disastrous scenarios of having wholly crushed out blacks with no detail and horribly overblown whites with no detail eg bright sunlight?
      Reminds me of my 10 year old samsung where I had to lower the brightness to 35 to stop the blacks looking grey and washed out and give more solidarity and better colours to the image. But I put up with the loss of shadow detail cos the tv looked awesome.
      I thought the birth of hdr would remedy this but without a tv bring uhd premium certified maybe not.
      But I'm willing to put up with it if it means saving 50% just for a slight lack of shadow detail if i buy the 75m7 900 over a premium brand 75 incher. I'm not even bothered about the sun blinding me or whatever. Just as long as the image looks bright enough overall and awesome that's all I'm worried about.
      Any opinions welcome.
       
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      Potentially yes, but if it was me doing the mapping, and I have some experience with mapping one number to another, not brightness, but atomic masses, most graphing software can't cope with the numbers involved, I wouldn't make the scale linear, and I would vary it depending on how often a particular brightness appears in a picture.

      So imagine a graph that displays the brightness of every pixel over time, so each frame will have thousands of points stretching from 0 to 4000, so say we have a movie that is HDR, but never ever goes over 400, you map that 1:1, no changes.
      Now say we have a movie that generally hovers between 100 and 300 but very occasionally spikes up to 1000 for a few seconds here and a few seconds there, I'd push 300 down to maybe 280 while bringing the 1000 down to 400, the difference between 300 and 1000 will be less pronounced as its now 280 to 400 but most of the movie is mapped close to 1:1 so not horribly altering the picture for the occasional scene here and there, but there will be a difference and it would be noticeable.

      And this is what did for the smart graphing option when showing atomic masses. spikes were evened out and the bulk was generally shown at about 1:1 without erasing the fact that there was a big jump at X or Y
       
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      So how will the tv know this and what is it likely to do?
      If both the tv and panasonic 4k bluray player do this downscaling should I or am I able to turn the tv downscaling off and let the 4k player do it? Which one would be better or should let both do it?

      All very confusing. I wish it could be uhd premium and I wouldn't have to worry about it. But then I'd have to pay double the price. :(

      Maybe I Should Go With THE 65 M9600 and have done with it?
      But 75 inches are awesome.
      Quantity or quality? How much of a quality difference is there? That's the problem. I'm not overly bothered about perfect blacks, perfect uniformity, blinding sunshine brightness. I just want vivid eyecatching pictures ala how samsung tvs used to look before they started making more realistic images ala sony/Panasonic.
      Tough call.
       
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      I really don't know, it all depends on the meta data and competence of the software developers putting that bit of code together. It may even vary from film to film.

      Hisense seem to have good panels, but with issues, also while we're all getting hung up on HDR there isn't actually that much HDR anyway, so the most important question will still be, how does this tv handle 1080p.

      Personally the more I think about the more I think that I will wait 12 months and let the HDR thing settle a bit more, plus may see a 75" set next year pushing closer to 1000 nits at £2.5k
       
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      At 75 inches I'm tempted to replace my projector. I'm am currently getting a 120" imagine but it is from a low end benq projector (w1070+) and have been disappointed with the black level detail.
       
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      But if you're used to 120 inch trust me 75 inches will look tiny.
      Today at richer sounds I saw a 120 inch projector screen and then went into another room and saw a 77 inch screen it looked small in comparison.
       
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      Think I need to see it before I do anything drastic.
       
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      The trouble is that no one has it on display. So you literally have to buy it and hope until the reviews come out in a month or so:(
       
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      75m7 900 is an 8 bit panel.
      I knew there was a catch. :(
       
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      Oh dear. Deffo no no.
       
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      Apparantly it adapts 10 bit to an 8 bit display panel. They don't mention that in the specs.
      And it adapts 1000 nits to a 400 nit panel.
      It has no quantum dots but apparantly a wide colour gamut??!!!
      How is this tv hdr??!!!
      It has no amazon 4k as far as I know.
      What else are they not telling us about this tv??!!
      I thought at 75 inches for £2500 there would be cut backs and I was right.
      I still want to see the panel cos it seems a bargain but I can't buy it unseen and risk not being able to return it.
      Richer sounds said they apply a 15% service charge to return the tv. What??!!!
       
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      What I really want is a 65m9800 which sounds awesome. Or a 65m9600.
      Any idea when they will be released?
      At ces 2016 they said the whole range would be released between April and July but I've heard no info on any models other than the 75m7 900 and 65m7000. And info on them is scarce.
      I have had no tv since January and I really need one by June 10th for euro 2016.
      Anyone have any idea when either of the flagship hisense will be released in the UK.?
      I gather they are already out in Japan.
       
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      I might just go with a dolby vision lg led tv.
      Would rather the lg oled but £4000 is too much for me.
      Are the black levels as poor as they say?
      Anyone had any experience of one of these lcd sets or oled dolby vision models, even better if in regards to dolby vision.
       
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      Imo Hisense gets a lot of unfair stick from the brown-nosers...
      They may sell at budget prices, but they know all about pleasing the customer.
      This TV in time for Euros and future-proof after, is a case in point.
      Good for them and the folks that get one!
       

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