la gran siete said:maybe they can afford the cars but not the drive
Easy to get cars when you live in a council house - not so easy to get somewhere to park them.
la gran siete said:maybe they can afford the cars but not the drive
Dont we allmjn said:you talk some absolute sometimes
Thing is that when a Tory govt goes to war the press and media are 100% behind them and remain so. Labour, if they want to win power have to appear to be 'conservative' as such only the back benches oppose war, the shadow cabinet normally follows the govt line. Therefore, arguably mind, the Tories would have found it less difficult.abraxus said:Actuallly I'm not sure the Tories would have gotten away with the war. I think Tory support would always have been there, but the Labour support was largely just following the party (Blairs) line. If it were the Tories in power I suspect that Labour would have opposed it wholesale along with the Libs, making it nigh on impossible to happen. To get a majority would require substantial Labour support, which would only happen if they were in power and proposing it.
In fact, looking at all the possibilities, I truly believe that a Labour govt were the only ones that could more or less guarantee our involvement in the war.
overkill said:Thing is that when a Tory govt goes to war the press and media are 100% behind them and remain so. Labour, if they want to win power have to appear to be 'conservative' as such only the back benches oppose war, the shadow cabinet normally follows the govt line. Therefore, arguably mind, the Tories would have found it less difficult.
la gran siete said:i know but isnt it fun
On a serious note I find it very hard to unedrstanm wahy any one would want to have five or six cars dotted around his driveway mostly their to impress others ( are you listening to me neighbour!?)nad then he has the gall to complain about his 40% rate??Waste and vanity nothing else and he should be taxed more in order to feed the family down the road who are struggling.
Then there is the inmorality of gambling. Whats that about?? Might as well dig a hole and dump th money in there !Why give it to a bunch of greedy casino owners? .Its the one issue I have some sympathy with the Muslim position ie not believing in making money out of money. Make it out of ONES OWN hard toil.
Not sure what you mean Nick? While New Labour is a 'Tory govt in disguise' it cannot rely on media support, and at the same time it cannot rely on its grass roots for unequivocal backing. While the majority of the parliamentary party backed 'the toadie', even from day one there was dissent from below. The Tories, traditionaly, never suffer from this.Nick_UK said:Yes that would apply to a Labour government. However, I don't see how that applies to a government that calls itself Labour, but has Tory policies ?
True about the press, and indeed peoples expectations of a Tory govt. I gues I was saying that if the Tories were in power they would have had all the Tory support and littlke or none from Labour, whereas Labour would have had all the Tory support and a fair chunk of Labour as well. As a matter of interest, if it were a Tory govt, do you think they would have got much much Labour support? Maybe I'm reading it wrong.overkill said:Thing is that when a Tory govt goes to war the press and media are 100% behind them and remain so. Labour, if they want to win power have to appear to be 'conservative' as such only the back benches oppose war, the shadow cabinet normally follows the govt line. Therefore, arguably mind, the Tories would have found it less difficult..
I can fully appreciate that kind of frustration and resentment.overkill said:What I do resent is working hard for not much back, when the lazy, useless, gits that run where I work earn £60,000 + for doing not a lot, and passing the **** downwards. That sort of resentment I can understand. In particular when you know how they got the jobs................. and hard work had nothing to do with it.
shahedz said:LGS, do you ever think about what you write? have you ever thought some people's hobbies are cars, and they do not simply buy cars to just to show off to neighbours. Your mentalilty amazes me, anyone who buys a nice car, eats at expensive restaurants, wears nice clothes, etc is either a ponce or a show off.
av2diefor said:LGS=wind up merchant....fact.
Probably a decent bloke.....
shahedz said:LGS, do you ever think about what you write? have you ever thought some people's hobbies are cars, and they do not simply buy cars to just to show off to neighbours. Your mentalilty amazes me, anyone who buys a nice car, eats at expensive restaurants, wears nice clothes, etc is either a ponce or a show off.
overkill said:Thing is that when a Tory govt goes to war the press and media are 100% behind them and remain so. Labour, if they want to win power have to appear to be 'conservative' as such only the back benches oppose war, the shadow cabinet normally follows the govt line. Therefore, arguably mind, the Tories would have found it less difficult.
LGS, I think you need to give it up. The argument over 'showing off wealth' is a loser - period.
Basicaly if we are dumb enough to pay these people stupid amounts of money, then tough. More fool us. I don't resent footballers having £100,000 a week, I just think it's short-sighted and dangerous for the clubs future. If people are dumb enough to pay x amount of millions to pop stars like Nick Mason or movie 'stars', then who am I to argue?
What I do resent is working hard for not much back, when the lazy, useless, gits that run where I work earn £60,000 + for doing not a lot, and passing the **** downwards. That sort of resentment I can understand. In particular when you know how they got the jobs................. and hard work had nothing to do with it.
overkill said:Thing is that when a Tory govt goes to war the press and media are 100% behind them and remain so. Labour, if they want to win power have to appear to be 'conservative' as such only the back benches oppose war, the shadow cabinet normally follows the govt line. Therefore, arguably mind, the Tories would have found it less difficult.
rhoamish said:Are you comparing the Falklands with Iraq? Thatcher didn't lie about why we went to war: it was a question of sovereignty. Blair, on the other hand did nothing but lie as he searched for a credible reason for following Bush into the oil fields of Iraq.
It isn't a press thing: it's a credibility thing. There weren't many complaints when we went into Afghanistan, for instance, but the case for invading Iraq just didn't hold water.
la gran siete said:...... The fact that she arrogantly ignored her advisors meant that the Argies thought it was the green light for them to go ahead.
Nick_UK said:The Argentinians got their asses kicked - and quite rightly too.
av2diefor said:LGS=wind up merchant....fact.
Probably a decent bloke.....
Thats a whole other debate that is. I f it was me I'd relinquish both the isles and Gibraltar thus improving relations wioth both hte countries involved. afget alkl they are not much use to us now anyway and are merely reminders of a colonial age we'd do well to turn our backs onNick_UK said:Don't be so daft ! "Green Light" indeed.... the Falklands is part of the UK, and we have every right to defend it. The Argentinians got their asses kicked - and quite rightly too.
la gran siete said:they are not much use to us now anyway and are merely reminders of a colonial age we'd do well to turn our backs on
They are only a small number of people and I am looking at the wider poicture besides Gibraltarians enjoy their status because it s tax free haven nad many have properties in Spain. I gather the Falklanders are mostly misfits who can only live on islands so why not send them to the Hebrides?Give them some sheep and Robert is your fathers siblinguridium said:I'm sure the british subjects living on both islands would not share your view!
la gran siete said:They are only a small number of people and I am looking at the wider poicture besides Gibraltarians enjoy their status because it s tax free haven nad many have properties in Spain. I gather the Falklanders are mostly misfits who can only live on islands so why not send them to the Hebrides?Give them some sheep and Robert is your fathers sibling
I gather the Falklanders are mostly misfits who can only live on islands
la gran siete said:They are only a small number of people and I am looking at the wider poicture besides Gibraltarians enjoy their status because it s tax free haven nad many have properties in Spain. I gather the Falklanders are mostly misfits who can only live on islands so why not send them to the Hebrides?Give them some sheep and Robert is your fathers sibling