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High-End Component or Cheaper HDMI??

Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD Players & Recorders' started by chez, Jan 8, 2004.

  1. chez

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    My Pioneer 434 is arriving on Saturday and I'm starting to think about whether a change of DVD player might be in order?

    My current DVD player is a Meridian 596 which can output Interlaced video via RGB Scart or Component.

    What I'm trying to decide is whether I should:

    -keep my 596
    -keep my 596 and buy a cheapo DVI-capable player
    -sell my 596 and get a Pioneer 868

    Obviously, the Meridian has superior video circuits, but does a direct digital transfer from disc to screen mean that one of the other solutions would give a better picture with the PDP434?

    If I was to sell my 596, I would lose out on the quality of CD playback, so I'm not keen on the idea of getting an 868.

    Therefore, the question I'm really asking is which would give a better picture on this screen - 596 (interlaced component connection) or Momitsu/Bravo/similar (progressive output via DVI to HDMI) ???

    Any comments or suggestions welcomed!

    Thanks
    Chez
     
  2. buns

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    what is the display? If it is capable of 720p I strongly suspect that the cheap dvi player would better it on picture.....

    sound isnt a question because the meridian will almost definitely blow either other alternatives out of the water..... My feeling would be to stay where you are. The latest g series meridian players are hdmi and will obviously retain the sound you want, i suggest waiting and keeping one of them as your upgrade

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  3. chez

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    why not look to a video processor and keep the current player.... you would get a big picture upgrade yet not lose out on the sound. Something like the Lumagen vision maybe?

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  5. Messiah

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    chez

    If you get a demo of a 434/504 playijg a DVD via HDMI from a Pioneer 868 I think your mind will be made up. Not only is HDMI a big step up from component (and I mean BIG) but the 868 also offers far greater flexibility over the image produced that the 668 et al.

    Over the past few days I have been treated to a HDMI demonstration on both said screens using the 668 and 868 players (in my pursuit and purchase of a new plasma :D ). I stood in on another customer demo yesterday showing Fifth Element on a 434 via the 868 and have to say I have never ever seen FE look so amazing. I would say as close to HD as you will get. Also, don't forget the 868 allows to to adjust the output resolution so 720p or 1080i are achievable on the 434.

    I would also suggest you read the HDMI article in the AV Tech supplement of the latest Hi-Fi News magazine. If you can't get it lmk and I can forward scanned versions (courteousy of Cool-Hand :smashin: )

    HTH
     
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    but of course the 868 isnt a meridian and wont even begin to sound like one...... well i guess maybe it would be half acceptable if using the i-link thingy.....

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    Keep the 596 and get an 868 as well :D
     
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    Also the bravo is not very good with pal material and the other players have continued problems. regular firmware updates etc.
    The 868I will be your best bet for pic quality and is perfect for your setup.
    you could get a denon A11 and have excellent sound and amazing pic via dvi.
     
  9. chez

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    Buns - How much would I have to spend to get a decent scaler that would do my screen (and DVD Player) justice? Also, I've heard mixed reports about scalers with the HDMI input (ie that no matter what resolution you feed the media box, it still scales it internally), so it would probably have to go through the VGA port (this in itself isn't a problem). The VGA port is listed as only accepting PC signals, rather than video. Does/can a scaler output PC type signals, rather than video?

    Messiah - whilst I am sure an 868 would give better picture than my 596, the sound for both movies and music would take a big hit (I suspect!). Also, I can't really afford to spend 868 money just yet (without selling my 596).

    Gandley - While I could sell my 596 and get an A11 (second hand probably), I don't believe the A11 would be as good with music as my 596. The 596 is known to be one of the best DVD players around for CD playback (I auditioned it alongside the Meridian 588 CD Player and couldn't tell the difference!).
     
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    chez,

    the Man to talk to about Scalers is Gordon Fraser of Convergent AV. He is a member on this forum and can tell you everything you need to know. He has alot of experience with plasmas such as yours and is a professionally qualified calibrator, he can tell you for sure whether you can actually get a native picture and how to do it for best money.

    I dont believe you will get dvi output with what you want to spend, but this isnt the be all to end all. I suggest you have a word with gordon.

    short of that, i suggest your next best chance would be to construct a hcpc using the new sweetspot card and use it as a video processor by using dscaler.

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    or y not just buy the 868i and buy a good cd deck as a scaler like the lumagen vision will cost close to a grand if not more
     
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    I dont know you will get a cd deck to match up for under a grand either....

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  13. chez

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    As I said, I auditioned a lot of CD players when I bought my 596 (Krell, Meridian, Audio Note, Copland) and the one I liked best was the 588, which I thought sounded almost exactly the same as the 596.

    The 588 is a £2100 player!
     
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    OK, I'm revisiting this idea again!! lol

    Looking at the yamakawa player vs my Meridian 596 (seems like a joke even mentioning them in the same sentence!! lol)

    Obviously, for music (especially through the onboard DACs), my meridian would be a world apart from the cheaper player, but how much would sound for movies suffer (bearing in mind that all digital to analogue conversion would be handled by my M processor).

    If the picture would improve and the sound for movies be OK, I could sell my 596 and buy a comparable (or possibly better) CD player for similar money as I sell the 596 for.....

    Any thoughts people??
     
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    Messiah,
    I would be interested in reading a copy of that if you can forward it to me?
    MArkie Boy
     
  16. chez

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    Anyone??
     
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    I would generally go for a good quality player with decent deinterlacing coming out as component at the moment unless I had could get DVI / HDMI output with either Faroudja 23xx or SIL504 deinterlacing. Look to cheap Samsung, mid priced Denon and high price Meridian for the digital bit or a much wider group for good old analogue outputs
     
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    why not have both good picture and cd playback with a linn unidisk 2.1? at £4.5k its not cheap but will give a kick ass pic and sounds as good as an Ikemi cd player. i have had one on loan for about a week now and think later this year will be purchasing one! (i have an arcam dv27 at the moment)
     
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    Chez, have you checked with Meridian that there is not a upgrade for the player.

    Most Meridian kit (as you know) is upgradeable in many ways.

    I'm waiting for the 868 to drop in price, I feel the 434 & 868 have been developed together, so they will be the perfect match.
     
  20. chez

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    Kelvin -

    The only upgrade available is to output progrssive over component :(

    How are you finding your screen now? I'm a lot happier with mine now.

    As many people have said - it does settle down after a while.

    Even the TV looks OK now!! lol
     
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    compared the yamakawa with my pioneer 757.

    pioneer (not pal progressive) throught component.

    yamakawa through DVI

    Sony HS10 projector.

    Let me tell you, the Pioneer was FAR better.
     
  22. chez

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    Thanks mutley - that's what I needed to hear.

    Guess I'm gonna have to save up for an A11 or G98 then!!
     
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    HI Chez, the Screen is getting better & better, alot happier now; just getting P'd off with the 525i video drop outs. Let see what Pioneer have to say at the Ideal home this weekend.
     

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