My new HCPC arrived today to replace my plastikote-black sprayed P2-300. It's a "Shuttle Spacewalker" and is about the size of a shoebox at H160xW190xD260mm Only thing i've added is a Creative SB4.1 because the on-board sound didn't have spdif it's a barebone system, i just had to supply the CPU and HD. I bought it from www.gemma.co.uk with a matching silver DVD drive (multiregion with firmware patch) for £197+vat, and they're thowing in 64mb of RAM at the moment, although i don't appear to have recieved that yet... There's a huge review of it at http://www.hwextreme.com/reviews/barebones/sv24/ and http://www.hothardware.com/hh_files/Motherboards/shuttle_sv24.shtml add a celeron 900mhz for about £40, an SB4.1 for £23, 20gb HD for £50 and you've got a complete HCPC for about £300 + vat! cheers Simon p.s. I don't work for them, i'm just impressed!