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Hi-def and plasma choice

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by sacd, Sep 1, 2004.

  1. sacd

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    This afternoon Hornydragon did something special for me, it sent a tingle down my spine and my head was spinning.
    He had to take me to his basement, I should have been suspicious then, I know, I know!
    I don't know how he did it, he must have had a lot of experience because he knew just what buttons to press.
    He showed me things that I just hadn't even dreamed of, and GOD it was so BIG!!!
    He was so sure of his ability, he just grinned all the way through. The man knew what he was doing----he knew that once I'd seen what he had to offer then nothing would ever please me in quite the same way.
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    High definition TV!
    I saw euro 1080 on a 7 foot screen and I just know that if I am going to spend my wad on a plasma tv then it is going to have to be better than standard definition.
    I'm even thinking about throwing caution to the wind and buying a Hitachi for the extra resolution---I know that it has a few pixels missing here and there but it has gotta be better than downscaling a hi-def signal to fit a standard def PW6 or VIERA (if the viera would do even that).
    What does anyone else think. Are there any other plasmas out there that come anything close to coping with a hi-def signal in all its glory?
     
  2. Joe Fernand

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    Hello SACD

    Don't tell ums69 or Ekko Star :)

    Best regards

    Joe
     
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    HA HA :laugh:
    I saw that.

    Are there any possibility to see,
    picture, or a trip from north of Sweden,
    the 7 foot screen. ?

    Please..
     
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    joe,what hitachi? iv got the 42pd5200.
     
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    The Pioneer plasma range?
     
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    Surely any HD plasma is going to have a decent stab at this. After all, you were probably watching it downscaled to 720 for the projector. You might have to go over to 'the other side' and get a PJ yourself? I've just done my home system to do both, too tatty for 'get yer plasmas' thread yet, waiting for furniture. HD stuff from my PC looks pretty good on either, (I use a PWD6) but of course awesome on an 8ft screen. It's hard to tell the difference between 1080 and 720 stuff in fact, even though I'm a prime proponent of pixel matching, no scaling etc.
     
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    I'd second the "can't tell difference between 1080 and 720."
    I can't see a diff on my PC monitor (which can show all 1080 pixels) and I can't see a diff on my MXE1 (which is downscaling the 1080). But perhaps this is because my eyes are watering at how good the picture is and I'm imaging how good it would be if you could source entire HD movies in the UK with DD or DTS.

    Only stuff I've got at the mo is all of the WMVHD trailers at all resolutions.
     
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    Downloaded one of the HD samplers from the Microsoft site and played it back on my Pio 43MXE1. Gorgeous. Agree no discernible difference between 720 and 1080.
     
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    I have a well known movie starring R. Crowe in hi def 1080, staggering difference from the PAL DVD
     
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    what's the difference in frame rate between a 1080i signal and a 720p signal? Is 1080i effectively 30 frames compared to 720p's 60 frames. If so would sport be better on 720p? also, is that 60 distinct frames, or 30 shown twice per second!?
     
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    720p in USA is 60 fps, euro1080 is 50fps. Real fps too.
     
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    What about the Hitachi (sorry Maw) does that display hi-def ok?
     
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    No problems, apart from buzzing, grey clouds, poor image quality, it will be fine.
     
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    Lol!!!
     
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    If it's 1080i at 50hz, doesn't that mean it's only 25 unique frames per second!?
     
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    I have been reading this forum for quite a while now and I understand some of the complaints about Hitachi plasmas.
    However, I cannot understand why this does not square with the reviews I read in the various magazines I read which almost universally praise the screen.
    Reliability apart, why do you complain about image quality when the mags say otherwise?
    Are they all misguided? Every one of them?
    I have also seen the screen in action, and it looks just fine with sky+ etc.
     
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    OK I suppose it does, just like interlaced PAL video, still if I'd said 25fps you'd have been disappointed.
     
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    25fps?
    Ok it looks like I'm missing something again.
    I will try and look at past posts to find out what that meant. Do you mean that ALis screens are not true progressive scan? I can't remember there bieng a flicker.
     
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    I think would be misleading to compare the WMV 720p and 1080p clips. The 1080p clips have been prefiltered to 1440 horizontal pixels, and the bit rate is insufficient to do 1080p justice.
     
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    Give it a rest MAW...
     
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    Oh dear, sensitive hitachi owner... OK maybe it's simply that they will not do what I want them to do. And, SACD, magazine reviews, don't get me started on that. It's also strange that they find superb results from almost all integrated TV plasmas, and poor results from monitors (in general) Wonder why that is?
     
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    Good point. I'm not questioning your judgment MAW God forbid.
    And I can see that most of the people who have problems on this forum are Hitachi owners.
    It's just that I want to have a plasma screen that can do the hi-def thing to some degree without sending me into a bankrupcy court. You must understand that to mere ignorant mortals such as myself the Hitachi does seem to offer a solution.
     
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    Most Hitachi owners start off as sensible, balanced, literate folks who read reviews, make considered purchases etc. Not 'mere ignorant mortals'. Just like Dr. Malcolm says in Jurassic park 2, '1st it's the oohs and aahs, later it's the running and screaming'. Again not in all cases, Hitachi sell more plasmas than anyone else, so they are bound to have more complaints. But the return rate would bankrupt me, and I don't like the picture. The hi-def thing can come your way in the high 2k's these days, have a look for an MXE-1 for instance. How many complaints have you seen about them? The HDE has media box trouble at a low level, PW6's have a minor power supply weakness, both eminently fixable, the MX series Pioneers I have never had a warranty claim on. And they are hi def compatible.
     
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    Thanks, I may well look into the MX series then. Do they come with speakers?
    I'm not bothered about a tuner as I've got sky+.
    Thanks again for the advice.
    Actually, where is a good place to look?
     
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    They have optional detatchable speakers. There is an amp built in to the screen to power them. Why would you want them? I have never sold a set of speakers to a domestic client, we always do surround or occasionally a stereo setup. A couple of in ceiling speakers for unobtusive stereo for TV maybe? Even still powered from the plasma if you don't want to turn on the surround amp. But as most of my systems are video switched from the amp, it's rare for me to do this. Last time was cos he was a Hi Fi nut, Musical Fidelity, PMC speakers, 2 mono power amps, sounded good I have to say!
    Edit: this is partly cos the Pio. speakers are poor value, quite expensive and not that brill.
     
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    Opps - well I suppose I could be your first, as the quote I requested from you includes the sepakers :laugh: Actually, that is because I'm not sure about powering up the whole sound system just to watch the news etc! (but I can be convinced otherwise :lesson:
     
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    I was going to email you about that. You must have a 'stereo' mode on the DVD thingy? Or just listen in Pro logic, the initial music is a revelation! Save yourself a few hundred quid if I were you.
     
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    Yes the DVD thingy, or DV NS55 to give it its proper name ;) , does have a stereo mode. Anyway, looking forward to see your suggestion for a replacement thingy :zonked:
     

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