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  1. Kokeaa

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    Hello, This Is my first post here, however I have been reading and got many good ideas from this forum the last year.
    Im on my way building a room just for movie and music and I´m having a few questions regarding my speakers.
    My end goal is having a 7.1.4 setup when I'm finished. At the moment I have a 5.0 setup with Q Acoustics 3050 fronts, 3090 center and two 3010 back.
    I was thinking of buying one more set of 3010 so the back and rear back speakers are all the same but would there be any point in going for the 3020 instead, and if so, to use as back, or rear back speakers in this setup?
    Im also going for a sub, but I haven´t decided on one at this point.

    Im also wondering about the 4 in ceiling speakers, the ones I'm looking at right now are rated 8ohm, but my Q Acoustics are rated 6ohm, will this be a problem and I need to go with 6ohm ceiling speakers or is it ok to go with different ohm here?

    The receiver I'm using now don't handle Atmos so I will be upgrading it when the room is all finished but I would like to be able to install the ceiling speakers and all the speaker cable wiring now when I'm doing the renovation so it´s all set for the future.
    Is there any one here who could recommend a receiver that suits the Q Acoustic speakers? (Im having a little eye on the Marantz 7010/7011 hoping to be able to find a pre owned one in next fall, but all suggestions are welcome)

    Im glad for all the help I can get!
     
  2. DrHarvey12

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    Hey @Kokeaa

    Welcome to the forums.

    I don't think there is too much reason to get the 3020's over the 3010's. The Q Acoustics site has the 3020's going down to 64hz vs the 3010's down to 68hz. Since these are going to be used as surrounds / backs and you mentioned you are getting a subwoofer I don't think the extra bass extension of the 3020's over the 3010's will be particularly telling.

    Any decent receiver shouldn't have any issue mixing 6 ohm and 8 ohm speakers so I wouldn't worry about this. Quite a few receivers come with a 6 ohm mode but most people seem to recommend running the 8ohm (standard) mode over a 6ohm / 4ohm mode if available regardless of the speakers you use. As long as you are sensible with the volume level and the receiver is well ventilated you are unlikely to run into any issues.

    It's been a while since I demoed the Q Acoustics range but I remember them being reasonably happy with most receivers. If you prefer a warm sound possibly look at Marantz, or Denon. A Yamaha should be neutral and a Sony or Pioneer may be a little bright. This is a very broad generalisation though. Best bet is to demo the speakers with a few different AVR's and see which sound you prefer. I'd ideally go for last year's models if you can find them. This year's models don't seem to have too many stand-out features that make them a much better buy than last years and are usually considerably more expensive for what is basically the same unit. This is especially true at the higher end of the market. Obviously you may find one of the new features desirable in which case you have to weigh up the benefit of getting that feature over the cheaper older model, assuming you can still find the last years model for sale.

    With regards to subwoofers seeing as you are from Sweden I'd probably look at the XTZ range. Possibly the 10.17 or 12.17. You don't need to match subwoofers to speakers and quite often the speaker brand manufacturers own subwoofers are a little lacking in performance compared to subwoofer specialists like BK Electronics or SVS. XTZ are a little different in that being high end they have both great subwoofers and speakers!

    One minor observation I would point out is that you are probably going to be a little heavy on electronics over speakers. I know some people have always recommended spending 2 to 3 times as much on the speakers as the accompanying electronics. And that was before the introduction of the 4 ceiling / height channels. I've always been much the same myself - so it's not a criticism. 11 channel receivers are quite expensive and the Q Acoustics range a (very good) budget range. So it is likely your new receiver will be able to support better speakers down the line should you feel and need to upgrade.

    Good luck on your search :thumbsup:.
     
  3. Kokeaa

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    Hi DrHarvey12 and thanks for the responds, got me all the answers I was looking for in one single responds!

    With all this in mind I will probable move forward with 2 more of the 3010 then and go on with the 8ohm ceiling speakers as well.

    Regarding the sub I'm happy you mentioned the xtz, I have hade a few friends recommending me them too and read some good review of them. Won't decide that until the room is ready but will have them as one of the top candidates when time comes!

    Yes I understand your reasoning with the money spent on electronics/speakers and came across it before when reading here on this forum to but I'm thinking in the lines you wrote to. The one I have today is a Sony st dr 1050 and I'm actually happy with that one but it doesn't offer the feutures I will be needing and I'm thinking if somewhere down the line I change speakers I don't nessesary want to need to change receiver again so I think I'm ok with not meeting the money splitt between speakers and receiver perfect for now.
    Also the ones with the feutures I'm after seem to be jumping up a big level in price compared to the ones supporting 7channels. I will definitely look and the pre ownd market and hope to find the 7010 for a good price since that one seemes to have everything I'm looking for and the new ones extra feutures are not so much extra interesting for my use.

    As you maybe can read between the lines I am pretty new to this whole world so I do appreciate all the good advice I got here!
    Thanks a lot!
     
  4. JuMu

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    Hello everybody,



    I am very new to hi-fi and for a few months I ve been reading numerous articles/forums and trying to make a good home theatre system and an average music system.



    Because of the "wife factor" :) I couldn't buy big, ugly, but better sounding speakers. I saw on "whathifi.com" and on other web sites that "Q Acoustics 3020 stereo speakers" and "Q Acoustics 3000 5.1 Cinema Pack" was chosen one of the best in that price category. I searched a little and saw that "Q Acoustics 3010" is smaller (wife factor:) and sounds almost the same.



    But in all reviews, its subwoofer "Q3070" is said to be not sufficient for the package. And I found myself buying a pair of Q3010, a centre speaker Q3090c and Cambridge Audio X300 subwoofer. All in white :)



    I also bought a Denon AVR X1200 (430w, 4-16 ohm, 7.2 ch) I also have a pair of 8 ohm Sony speakers and a pair of 16 ohm Sony surround speakers.



    I am very confused now. At first the "ohm problem": Can I pair my 6 ohm Q3010 speakers (as main left and right) with 8 ohm surrounds for 5.1 or 16 ohms for the 7.1, or just 16 ohms for 5.1 (because they are smaller)



    And secondly, is my Denon receiver, which is 430w, powerful enough for a pair of Q3010 (15-75W each) and Q3090c (25-100W) and X300 subwoofer (300W) and 2 or 4 Sony(surrounds) (around 200W each) *(8 ohm ones are bigger than my Q3010s but sound worse).....?



    Or should I but one more pair of 3010? (Not preferred:)



    I read too many articles and forums and all made me confused. I really need an answer from an experienced person.



    Thanks.
     
  5. Kokeaa

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    Hi JuMu,
    Hope you like your new Q Acoustics, I'm new with them to and my experience has been very well with them.
    Im sorry I can't help you out with your answers because I'm pretty new on this to, but as you can see in my first post in this threat I was wondering the same about having extra speakers with 8ohm in my set up (this was for having them on atmos) and it seems to work well to mix 6 and 8ohm in a setup (read the answer DrHarvey12 wrote to me) and I have allele gotten the same answer from another source so I'm going with 8ohm in ceiling speakers to go with my 6ohm Q Acoustic set up. However Im not sure about mixing 6 and 16ohm, maybe someone else can answer this for you.

    I also opt to go for a nother subwoofer (partly after reading the reviews) but I have´t chosen anyone yet, working on the room renovation and will wait until its finished before adding a sub.
    /Kokeaa
     
  6. JuMu

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    Hi Kokeaa. Thank you for the information.

    I like how Q Acoustics sounds. As I said above, they sound much better than the 2 times bigger Sony (But they are about 15 years old:)

    By the way, did you set your receiver to 6 ohms. Many people suggested me to do that :/
     
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    Hi Kokeaa. Thank you for the information.

    I like how Q Acoustics sounds. As I said above, they sound much better than the 2 times bigger Sony (But they are about 15 years old:)

    By the way, did you set your receiver to 6 ohms. Many people suggested me to do that :/
     
  8. Kokeaa

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    No, I haven't actually tested setting my receiver to any different ohm. I believe I'm running it on 8ohm settings at the moment (my older set-up was 8ohm speakers).
    Since I´m in the progress off renovating a room dedicated to movie/music I just made a quick installation of the Q Acoustics in the living room to test them out before getting it all down in the new room. (I really should have waited on buying new speakers before the room was finished but just couldn't keep my hands away from buying the now =P )
    Im using a Sony STR-DN1050 at the moment and the speakers sound really good and haven´t had any problem with running them on the normal setting (I presume its 8ohm setting on default on this receiver).
    /Kokeaa
     
  9. JuMu

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    "(I really should have waited on buying new speakers before the room was finished but just couldn't keep my hands away from buying the now =P )"...... I had almost the same situation :)))))))

    In the beginnings, my wife allowed me to buy only those mini useless cubic speakers...I tried to persuade her very much..When I saw those beautiful glossy white Q Acoustics, even she couldn't say NO to them and I bought them at the same moment from internet, because I was afraid that she would have changed her mind again :))) I didn't have time to search for matching specifications for my receiver :)

    Thank you Kokeaa, hope you enjoy your speakers.
     

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