Question Help with Cross Over settings

bapodra

Active Member
I have a Denon X2500H and running a 5.1.2 setup, I have ran Audyssey and its assigned the cross overs, distance etc. I have attached images of the settings.

After doing some research, I am not sure if the calibration has set the cross overs correctly. Should I change them all to 80 or leave them as is?

Here is a breakdown of my setup:

Front:
Klipsch RP-240D
RP-240D On-Wall Speaker | Klipsch

67Hz - 25kHz +/- 3dB

Centre:
Klipsch R-34C
R-34C Center Speaker - BLK/GNM | Klipsch
82Hz - 21kHz +/- 3dB

Sub:
Klipsch R-120SW
R-120SW Subwoofer - BLK/GNM | Klipsch
29Hz - 120Hz +/- 3dB

Rear:
Klipsch R-14S
Reference Surround Sound Speakers | Klipsch
83Hz - 24kHz +/- 3dB

Top Middle:
Dali Phantom E-60 In-Ceiling Speakers
DALI PHANTOM E-60 - In-ceiling Hi-Fi loudspeaker
52Hz - 25,000Hz
 

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gibbsy

Moderator
Read this excellent article on crossovers:
Crossover and Speaker Settings in Relation to Bass Management

It's not unusual for Audyssey to differ with what you think should be the crossover as Audyssey is reading the whole room and it's influence on the speakers. I would suggest that you do not alter any crossover to below that at which Audyssey has set them.
 

Gasp3621

Distinguished Member
Subwoofer gain knob (volume) is too high, drop it ~1-2hours and run Audussey again. Example from 12clock to 10clock. You don´t want to have -12db for SW level. You could also watch short tutorial video which has been helpful for many members:

 

bapodra

Active Member
I thought that was wrong, the Klipsch manual said set to half way. I'll give that a go.

Subwoofer gain knob (volume) is too high, drop it ~1-2hours and run Audussey again. Example from 12clock to 10clock. You don´t want to have -12db for SW level. You could also watch short tutorial video which has been helpful for many members:

 

D1gita1

Active Member
Personally, I would set all the crossovers to 80Hz on that system
 

gibbsy

Moderator
Personally, I would set all the crossovers to 80Hz on that system
In that case why bother running Audyssey as setting the correct crossover is pretty essential as it is the room that you are EQing. The only thing Audyssey recommend is to set the crossover higher than what was recorded if wanted.
 

bapodra

Active Member
I have re-run the setup and I had to go a little lower than 1-2 hours more like 4 and now its at -8.5db for the sub. Before it was too punchy and now its not enough... any ideas?

The cross overs also changed, I followed the tips from the video.

Subwoofer gain knob (volume) is too high, drop it ~1-2hours and run Audussey again. Example from 12clock to 10clock. You don´t want to have -12db for SW level. You could also watch short tutorial video which has been helpful for many members:

 

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mjbtin

Well-known Member
Set the crossovers again.-8.5 is within the range so just go into speaker levels on the denon and increase to -5db then test,if you want more bass keep increasing until you get the bass you are happy with.

Martin
 

bapodra

Active Member
Perfect, -6.0 did the trick.

Set the crossovers again.-8.5 is within the range so just go into speaker levels on the denon and increase to -5db then test,if you want more bass keep increasing until you get the bass you are happy with.

Martin
 

D1gita1

Active Member
In that case why bother running Audyssey as setting the correct crossover is pretty essential as it is the room that you are EQing. The only thing Audyssey recommend is to set the crossover higher than what was recorded if wanted.
I went off the information he posted on the speakers rather than the images. The recommendation was based on this and not the images. I'm using a phone so viewing images isn't ideal. Obviously it's not recommended to drop crossovers below the measured frequency response as its likely to put undue stress on the speakers.
 

b1g1an

Well-known Member
In that case why bother running Audyssey as setting the correct crossover is pretty essential as it is the room that you are EQing. The only thing Audyssey recommend is to set the crossover higher than what was recorded if wanted.


Crossover is only one part of the setup, it's still setting delays and balancing volume across the other speakers which is far more important.
 

gibbsy

Moderator
Crossover is only one part of the setup, it's still setting delays and balancing volume across the other speakers which is far more important.
I'll happily agree with that. As far as crossovers are concerned is more to do with how the speakers position in the room and that the combination of the two will effect the balance of the low frequencies. I know I can move one of my speakers that can achieve 40hz in it's optimal position just a couple of feet and it jumps to 60hz.

If you want Audyssey to do it's job then it's silly to ignore the recommended settings and force them the other way.
 

b1g1an

Well-known Member
If you want Audyssey to do it's job then it's silly to ignore the recommended settings and force them the other way.

EQ systems just measure the speakers frequency response and set the crossover as low as the speakers can go, not very scientific. 80Hz is the THX recommended level assuming the speakers have enough range to cope with 80Hz and favoured by most users. If the sub also has to cover higher frequencies due to a lack in the speakers that is a different scenario.
 

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