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Discussion in 'Which TV Should I Buy?' started by S4F33, Dec 6, 2017.

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    Hello, ive been looking to get a 65inch + tv for around £1200 mark.
    Mainly going to be used for movies/amazon/ps4 pro.

    I had a few in mind but found an article for LG's RGWB issue and so dont know if I should get samsung tvs instead? But the ones I had in mind are:

    LG 65UJ634V 65"
    LG 65SJ810V 65" -- What i thought was best out all of these.
    HISENSE H65N6800UK 65"
    LG 70UJ675V 70"

    But yeah, im stuck, OLED hits all my boxes but to be honest I dont have £2500 to spend on an OLED.

    Much appreciated for any helpful tips and suggestions to other tvs aswell!!
     
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    RGBW isn't really an issue, its just a type of pixel structure. It means noting unless you view up close and intend to use the TV as a computer monitor.

    With your budget, unless you need wide viewing angles the Hisense 65N6800 and Sony 65XE70xx series are best value. Unlike the LGs they use high contrast VA panels which will give you deep blacks, better screen uniformity and higher contrast, especially in the dark.

    I do hope that you know the limitations at this size and price though, whilst TVs are marketed as HDR you'll need to spend more to get HDR worth having. Whilst for normal TV viewing and amazon this isn't so important, its worth mentioning because HDR is basically most of what the PS4 pro is about compare to its predecessor.
     
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    Thank you, thats grea info, i looked at the xe70 model but only issue was theres no local dimming unlike the lgs, does that make a difference on these or is it just another gimmick
     
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    The local dimming with the LGs is ineffective. At this kind of price range you aren't going to find a TV with decent local dimming.
     
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    Right right, so what would you personally recommend? The Hisense or the xe70? Im planning to go into currys to see them first hand.
     
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    Whilst its definitely recommended you view the TV in the flesh before you buy it be aware that on the shop floor the TVs aren't going to look anything like they will when you have it at home.

    Showrooms are very bright environments and none of the TVs on show have even the most basic of calibration. They are put in demo modes where the brightness is set too high and colours are too vivid in attempt to grab your attention from one tv to the next.

    This makes for false comparisons when it comes to judging things like how good the blacks or colours are.

    Because they also tend to only show demo reels in Currys it also doesn't really show you how the TV will look with the content you will feed it at home, try to get them to demo you some content that isn't part of their loop, ideally content that closely matches what you will view yourself.

    To be honest if there is an av specialist shop nearby with a demo room I would be tempted to seek out a demo there instead, you generally get much better service and in an actual demo room you will be better placed to judge the TVs.

    As for which one I would go for between the Hisense and the Sony in your situation I would probably veer towards the Hisense because it has a wide colour gamut which the Sony does not. This is only beneficial when you use HDR though.

    The TVs are just as good as each other though so if you are still torn after viewing them just go with whichever model you like the aesthetics of the most or which smart TV platform you like better...if you care about smart TV that is.
     
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    It's not an issue, it's an engineering choice. LG's engineers feel that the benefits are worth the trade-offs for their mid-range TVs. Given the great reviews their models are getting they may well be right.

    The biggest issue real world when it was introduced a couple of years ago seemed to be the colour reproduction, but the wide gamut backlights on most models and further software refinement are likely to have helped with, or entirely eliminated, that trade-off. Unfortunately I haven't seen anyone re-test that aspect lately.

    What are your boxes? The area where the OLEDs excel most would be the wide viewing angles and dark blacks. Is that what's valuable for your use?

    LG's local dimming systems are laughable on the UJ models and only slightly better on the SJ ones. Given they also have a low native contrast the XE70 is going to have better contrast in many scenes even without it.
     
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    I was in the same predicament over Black Friday week and ended up getting the Hisense 65n6800 for £879 and I got to say I'm very impressed with it.

    My old tv was an LG 47W650T from 2011 and the Hisense beats it in every way, better HD quality, huge improvement on blacks and contrast, very good input lag, amazing build quality for the price, decent sound and rich colours. HDR looks great to me but it depends if you have experience with top tier HDR tv's, i have nothing to compare it to but I definitely notice the difference.

    I have noticed slight DSE but only with greys and only at extreme viewing angles, in normal seating positions i don't see any.

    You may struggle to view the Hisense in Currys stores, i know the one i want to didn't have it on show, they seemed to favour Samsung, Sony & LG.

    For the price i don't think the 6800 can be beaten.
     
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    Hmm, im leaning towards the Hisense 6800's, but the only thing holding me back is the brand. The XE70's look better imo but they cost an extra £200 compared to the N6800. Are they worth the extra £200?

    The Sj810 model also looked appealing, but again is it worth £100 more than the n6800? (I prefer this design the most)

    The boxes that are hit with OLED is the dark blacks as im going to be using for gaming and watching movies. But the budget is not there hence want the next best for the budget.
     
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    Top man! But yeah local currys dont have it on display, and currently I have a Sharp LED tv and 2014s Hitachi FHD models, so I have no clue as to what it 4k even looks like in my house, hence the research and the help from you guys :p
     
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    Another quick question, with it having HLG, does that mean amazon and netflix can be streamed directly in 4k using its apps? or does it just upscale to 4k

    Also with panel only being 60hz, how well does motion blur do on this? my current hitachi is 50hz and watching football on that is not appealing as it blurs the pitch badly.
     
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    If you want deep blacks then i guess stay away from LG led as they are IPS panels, they have very wide viewing angles but poorer blacks.

    The Hisense are VA panels and have better blacks but smaller viewing angles.

    The Hisense is an improvement over my old TV in every single way.

    The app should support 4k & HDR content but my internet isn't good enough to trigger UHD content over streaming so i couldn't tell you, services like Netflix require something like a minimum of 20mb download speed to view 4k, i currently have 12mb.
    You will notice motion stutter with 60hz, only on fast movement, so it depends if you can live with it, the Sony is 120hz i think?
     
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    Sweet sweet, I also noticed another deal on samsung QE65Q8FAM for 1800 plus a free soundbar, is it worth splashing £800 more on that??
     
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    Sony KD65XE9005BU would be a better deal if you want to spend more:

    £1595.00 - Sony KD65XE9005BU - FREE 7 Year Warranty - FREE Wall Bracket - TV Bundles - SONY - TPS - The Perfect Signal Ltd

    All depends on what your willing to spend, I wasn't prepared to spend £2400 on a 65" OLED so i got the Hisense to tide me over till OLED prices drop.
     
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    QLED? no i personally wouldn't, nearly as expensive as OLED but its still LED.

    QE65Q8FAM is nearly the same price as LG 65" b7 OLED
     
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    It was nearly as same price, its gone down to £1800 at Crampton with a free soundbar, hence why im comparing that
     
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    So it is, the choice if yours, will the Samsung £900 better than the Hisense?
     
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    The XE70 is cheaper than the N6800 in smaller sizes. The N6800 is very aggressively priced at 65". The Sony probably has a more accurate picture, Hisense don't have the last few percent to get it bang on. On the other hand it lacks a wide gamut backlight.

    At this size it looks very similar to high quality Full HD sources like blu-rays. Most of the benefit is from low quality HD sources like streams and broadcast upping the bitrate for their 4K versions.

    HDR is definitely the much bigger technology for normal TVs.
     

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