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Help ! No line of sight... No Sky+

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  1. eas4uk

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    Help...

    Sky came round this morning to fit 2 sky+ boxes at my new flat...

    Engineer was here for about 10 mins and basically said no chance of getting a signal here as there is a huge great silver birch tree right in the way... Typical

    Now I spoke to the woman who libes next door a few nights ago as she has a dish up - however hers is disconnected now as the trees grew in the way of that as well - The engineer did say that he would be able to get a good signal if he installed a dish higher up than where hers is now however he couldn't do it there even with her permission as Sky do not allow it at all - he would do it as a private deal though - No when I discussed this with my neighbour I told her if she would allow me to put the dish up on her side of the building I would supply her a new feed so she could get Sky back in...

    So I basically need an "octo lnb" installed on her place with dish etc... and then the cabling done...

    the alternative is to get onto the council (whose bloody great tree it is) and ask them to get rid of it...

    My 2 questions are, how much is it likely to cost to get an Octo LNB dish etc installed privately

    and how quickly do councils respond to requests to move trees - if at all?

    Any help greatly appreciated - Im missing my football!!!
     
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    If you connect two properties via a single dish you may run into problems as they will no longer be electrically isolated from each other.An electrical problem in one flat may be transferred to the other via the cabling and the dish.
     
  3. eas4uk

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    Ok then - well the building consists of 4 flats - 2 up 2 down

    The wall that will get a signal is on the opposite side to my flat entirely

    and it has 2 dishes up there already - Now I already have a dish (which was working perfectly at my last place) and i have a brand new philips quad lnb
    so how much would it cost roughly to get a twin sky + install done privately?
    And would the council object to 3 dishes on one wall of the building?
     
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    If the wall with the dishes on is a communal wall you will need planning permission for a third dish. If it isn't,and it does not form part of your flat,Sky will not mount the dish because the wall does not belong to you.To get the job done privately you will have to buy both boxes at the going rate which varies from supplier to supplier, then pay for the cabling to be done.Try ringing around a few local independant installers to get an idea.
     
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    I suspect that your instinct about the tree is correct - the Council will almost certainly dismiss out of hand any request to remove the tree (especially such an attractive tree as a silver birch), just because you can't receive Sky. Sorry to pile on the negativity, but you should also give some thought to restrictions in your (or your neighbour's) lease and to the possible need for planning consent before going ahead with your proposal to put a dish higher up. (As regards the possible planning issue, see http://www.odpm.gov.uk/stellent/groups/odpm_planning/documents/page/odpm_plan_606331.hcsp )
     
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    cheers for the responses then guys - any suggestions on another course of action then...

    BlueVanMan - im no electrician or anything - but if all of the elctrics in both flats are ok then whats the problem with sharing a dish? Dont some blocks of flats have communal dishes? How would I get round this?
     
  7. eas4uk

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    BlueVanMan - Would a non sky dish fitted with 2 quad lnbs solve this electrical isolation thingy? Would this also be a cheaper option than the octo lnb?
     
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    The problem is because adjacent properties are often connected to different phases of the mains supply to balance the load. If this is the case, there will be over 400 volts between the two live cables. No problem with that, until a fault occurs ! :suicide:
     
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    would having 2 lnbs on one dish rectify this then?
     
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    You are probably going to have to get it installed independantly!

    Sky will not install a dish on someone elses part of the building, nor are the cables allowed to cross anything that is not yours!

    Communal dishes or mdu installs are installed by specialist companies, and at the moment octo lnb's are still in their infancy, so not readily available so you will not ba able to run any more than 4 feeds from the dish!!

    If you indeed managed to find someone who would connect it to next doors dish, and your neighbour moved out suddenly, the new tenant could demand it be taken down and you would have an even bigger problem!

    Is your flat top or bottom floor?

    If it is top then it may be possible to put a dish at the opposite side of the building on a pole so it could look over the roof and tree!

    I would recommend rebooking it but requesting a special heights team, they may be a bit more willing to look at alternatives as described above!

    if this doesn't bring you any joy then not much will!
     
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    go out at 3 in the morning with a chainsaw a cut the tree down. problem solved. if you are quick or even use an axe no one will know. we had 2 at the side of our house that might cause a problem and our phone line was being pulled and it could have caused a problem with an extension we had plans for, so on day when everyone was at work down they fell........
     
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    I do feel like doing that mate but its about 50-60 ft and Id probably a) kill myself doing it, flatten mine or a neighbours house, or c) both of the aforementioned...

    pic here
     
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    top flat mate - how about one dish with one of those brackets with two lnbs on it - with 2 quads hopefully so I and my neighbour can both get sky + then

    She owns her flat and I dont think she has any ideas on moving in the foreseeable future... Ive only just moved in and will be here 3 years minimum... so need to get this sorted as no cable available here and even freeview reception is poor...
     
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    You may be able to contact the freeholder, or management company and ask them about getting rid of all dishes and providing a proper installation. This would certainly make their property look much more attractive.

    Its rare that other residents will want to meet this shared cost, however it is worth asking the council, (without letting the other residents know) if all permissions have been recieved regarding the erecting of dishes, if not then they may all have to come down anyway.

    For a Sky+ installation a quad LNB is not needed. Essentially one to record and one to watch i.e. 2. Sky install quads in case you require multiroom now or in the future. So if you and your neighbour only want simple sky+ then you only need a quad.
     
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    the problem there is that I want two sky + boxes - one for me, one for my brother... this is the problem really - worst case scenario is that I just fit a standard quad and have two normal sky digiboxes

    The other problem is that two of the four flats are council rented and two are owned, mine being one of the owned so Im not sure the council would consider a proper communal installation

    I have also spoke to one of my friends who is an electrician and he is pretty confident that this is not a 3 phase building due to the size - however he is testing this tomorrow so hopefully 1 dish and 2 quad lnbs mounted to it may be the answer as there shouldn't be any electrical problems - fingers crossed.

    Can somebody recommend a dish and bracket (cheapish) that would support two quad lnbs?
     

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