Question Help needed I am literally drowning in options

ademcg

Standard Member
Ok guys so I have rather an extensive Cd collection and a nice (several hundred) vinyl collection which I want to reconnect with.

I bought a new PC in February and realised that it does not have a CD drive:thumbsdow this got me thinking, as I was "wife forced" to sell the Teac Reference system and B&W speakers last year (now in its place is a fish tank:facepalm:) I have no way of playing my back catalogue, which I am now going to put right.

I searched about the house and found my old "make shift" turntable a Pro-ject Debut II which is complete, but I have no speakers, no pre-amp (stage) or larger AV amp and no CD player.:(:(:blush:

I want to listen to a wide variety of music not just thumping dance tunes from 1992 to 1994:clap:
so I set to work and began to obtain options.

Speakers:
youtube came to the rescue quickly here and I settled on the sound from a pair of Edifier S1000db complete with stands which I managed to source second hand (£160)
These have lots of input options and even blu-tooth

For Vinyl:
Looking again to Youtube for comparisons, it would appear that the Pro-Ject Debut II is a little lifeless it still has the original Ortofon OM 5e stylus in situ and I would need a pre-amp.

No matter how good the pre-amp / amp is, if the components starting it all are not up to scratch then I would be wasting my time

Options -
Keep the pro-ject and just live with what ever sound comes out of it?
Or
Buy a used Rega Planar 1 ?

Pre-Amp:
So the TT will need a stage or a real Amp to drive it to the speakers.

For £140 you can obviously get something highly revered as the schiit mani, the review of the cheaper options (Project Phono box MM - £60) seem to be very negative

Or

AMP:
do I just go for a real proper AV amp as I would need one to drive the CD player?

I note online the Marantz PM6006 is current best budget, but if I were to try and save some pennies, would the older PM6005 unit suffice?

I might want to rip some to the PC to keep forever....any options here, do they come with USB / Digital outputs to record to a hard drive??

CD Player:
This one people have asked many times...I hear conflicting views, eg just get a DVD player, but these have no display and I assume you would need a DAC?
A lot of people rave over Arcam, but they seem expensive and have a bewildering range.

Again the Marantz CD6006 seem the best budget buy, but if I go second hand / older, what other options do I have? Should I even consider used? I recall from years back, CD units don't like being moved...open to causing damage in transit?

I have bought nothing but the speakers as yet so recommendations and help to identify a way forward would be most appreciated:thumbsup:
 

muljao

Well-known Member
Just to confirm,

You have a project turntable and edifier speakers and want to play CDs?

Is this correct?
What's your budget?
 

Fred Smith

Well-known Member
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dannnielll

Well-known Member
We have discussed most of these options recently so getting info on CD DVD etc is just looking at old posts. Basically the very cheap DVD player will have an Audio and Video DAC, but probably no displays. The expensive DVD Bluray players have clever digital processing, probably Displays but no DAC.s!. . The best option would be a slightly older Blu ray which has both and also digital audio via optical and or coaxial SPDIF. The quality of output in Audio from these is excellent. .. not good but excellent.
The other very realistic option is to repurpose an older laptop. The CDs can be ripped with full quality onto the HardDrive and sent to preferably an external DAC.
 

ademcg

Standard Member
Just to confirm,

You have a project turntable and edifier speakers and want to play CDs?

Is this correct?
What's your budget?
Hi,

sorry I was at work when I typed this...lol

Essentially, I have both a large amount of records and CD's that I want to play.

I have an old Pro-ject debut 2 turntable and I have just bought some Edifier S1000db speakers, but I have not chosen or bought anything else.

I want to listen to both Records and CD's in the best quality I can comfortably afford don't get me wrong, I am not a full on audiophile, but I do like things to be right. An additional potential want / wish is to maybe, just maybe, convert my record and cd library to digital form....maybe;)

The first things first...
Vinyl: the turntable, I think it might not be up to the job, hence potentially sourcing a Rega Planar P1 unit

Secondly, the output of this TT I have 2 options as I see it:
1.) Buy a phono stage / pre amp and dial into the speakers directly
or
2.) buy a dedicated good amp and line into it from the TT then out from the amp to the speakers

CD: I need an amp to play the cd's through anyway, but does that mean don't bother with the phono stage at all? Just let a good AMP take the strain and all the connections?
 
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muljao

Well-known Member
Just my opinion

You got an ok set of speakers and a turntable, don't mind bs artists on Youtube saying it's not good enough because they own a better one, there's always better, dearer options.

Add a phono amp, sub 100 pounds that gets good reviews

Add this
https://www.amazon.co.uk/MAJORITY-Compact-Multi-Regions-Control-connect-Black/dp/B079YW5246

DVD player with display, plug in with dugitad cable.

Buy an external CD drive for twenty quid, install musicbee to your laptop, rip CDs to flac,and get a USB to optical converter on Amazon to plug into your optical on speakers when you want to listen to PC ripped files, job done
 

gibbsy

Moderator
You'll not go far wrong with both the Marantz 6006 models. I have the cd6006 and it's a very fine player indeed. Both the pm6006 and cd6006 share the same DAC a Cirrus Logic.

As for your PC not having a CD drive then you can easily pick an external one up for around £30 new, I have an LG GP57.
 

BlueWizard

Distinguished Member
The Edifier speakers, which I assume you have already bought, are ACTIVE Speakers, they already have Pre-Amp/Amps built into them.

Here is a link to the Edifier S1000DB - £299/pr -

Edifier S1000DB Bluetooth Wireless 2.0 Hifi Speaker System

You have TWO RCA AUX/PC analog inputs, 1xOptical, and 1xCoaxial, plus Bluetooth capability. And of course a Remote Control.

The Project Debut II is a fair turntable, I think that is the least of your problems. Though you might want to replaced the cartridge, or replace the Stylus with an OM10 Stylus.

Ortofon 5E Replacement Stylus - Replacement Styli - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

Ortofon Stylus 10 Replacement Stylus For OM Cartridges - Replacement Styli - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

So, you need a Phono Equalization Pre-Amp, but that is less than £100, though you have many options in this area.

Pro-Ject Phono Box MM - Phono Stages - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

And you need a CD Player, that is going to cost you in the range of about £200 - Yamaha, Onkyo, Marantz, Denon, etc....

Denon DCD-520 CD Player Black - CD Players - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

Marantz CD5005 Silver CD Player - CD Players - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

Onkyo C-7030 Silver CD Player w/ 192 kHz/24-Bit D/A Converter - CD Players - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

Yamaha CD-S300 Black CD Player - CD Players - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

Though a bit more money, there is a Yamaha CD Player that has Network Streaming built in, both from local storage and from the Internet -

Yamaha CD-N301 Network CD Player - £249 -

Yamaha CD-N301 Black Network CD Player - CD Players - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

CD-N301 - Overview - Yamaha - UK and Ireland

So, if all you have are CD and Turntable, the Edifier S1000DB has you covered. However, if you need an additional input, then there are Line Level Audio Switches that cost under £20 that can expand the number of inputs.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/HQ-3-Way-Stereo-Input-Control-black/dp/B000I8OOS8/

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Way-Cd-Aux-Stereo-Switch-Black/dp/B000KVODHA/

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SDS-Switcher-Composite-Selector-Consoles-Yellow/dp/B017K5C316/

So -

£299 = Edifier S1000DB Active Speakers, DAC, Remote
£_60 = Project MM Phono Pre-Amp
£_55 = OM10 Replacement Stylus (£40 = OM5)
£200 = CD Player (£250 = CD-N301 Network CD)
-------------------------------------
£614 = Total


As things go that is a pretty modestly price system.

The only variable in this system is the Amp/Speakers, if you were too try to come up with a separates system for the same price, that would be £300. Though perhaps as high as £350, since those amps have an MM Phono Stage built in. I'm not sure what you could put together for an Amp+Speakers for that amount of money. I'm sure we could come up with something, but we would pretty much be scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Denon PMA-520AE Stereo Integrated Amplifier Black - Amplifiers - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

Yamaha A-S301 Integrated Amp, 60w/ch, w/DAC

Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 Walnut Bookshelf Speakers (Pair) - Bookshelf Speakers - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

DALI SPEKTOR 2 Walnut Bookshelf Speakers (Pair) - Bookshelf Speakers - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

Q Acoustics 3020

Tannoy Mercury 7.1 Black Oak Bookshelf Speakers (Pair) - Bookshelf Speakers - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

Tannoy Mercury 7.2 Walnut Bookshelf Speakers (Pair) - Bookshelf Speakers - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

Wharfedale Diamond 11.1 Rosewood Quilted Bookshelf Speakers (Pair) - Bookshelf Speakers - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

Monitor Audio Bronze 1

While not impossible, it is difficult.

So, the Edifier as outlined above is a complete system ready to go. That should also be a very compact system.

Steve/bluewizard
 
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ademcg

Standard Member
Hi steve, thanks for the input, I have also been a little distracted and bought a used (almost new) Schiit Mani phono MM/MC pre-amp (£106 delivered ) , so I have now the Edifier S1000db speakers, a Pro-Ject-debut II and a good stage, so that should kind of sort out the Vinyl.
I am limited with space, so this is quite compact and good enough.

My thoughts now turn to CD's and I need some kind of amp to run any cd player, so once again I am stuck having to look for a Cd and Amp combo
 
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ademcg

Standard Member
OK, so I have received my Schiit Mani today.
I hooked up the Pro-ject Debut II to the Schiit Mani (phono stage) and then taken the RCA cables from the mani to the Edifiers and I can hear a buzzing sound, which increases as I increase the volume.
I thought it could be a grounding issue, so reattached the Pro-ject's earth cable to the Schiit mani and it is still there (but less) perhaps I have a poor earth on the Turntable?

I have tried connecting the Pro-ject direct to the speakers input but without the phono stage it is too low volume to see if there is a buzzing sound at all.

I have tried both RCA inputs on the speakers (PC and AUX) and it is the same.
Perhaps cheap phono cables aren't helping?

I checked using the Blu-Tooth connection and that is crystal clear, no buzzing, so it is just via the Turntable, the phono stage...any advice?

Perhaps I do need a better turntable after all? :facepalm:

The Yamaha CD / streaming unit, does look excellent, I will look at some reviews
 
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dannnielll

Well-known Member
Earthing and grounding problems are always simple to cure in RETROSPECT. ..not that that helps.. but the general guidelines are.
1. The signals coming from a pickup are tiny voltages and currents ,they are between the two sets of slightly twisted wires.. 4 in all coming from the cartridge .
2. These 4 wires need to be protected by a shield all the way to the preamp input.
3. Ideally the preamp will have a differential input ..but if one of the leads of each pair at the preamp input is connected to the system ground ,that is OK.
Now. The shield can also be connected at this same point to ground. However the rest of the shield must not be connected to any other ground anywhere else. There must be only one point of contact.. preferably at the preamp, but it can be at the turntable.
By shield is meant, the braid on the outside of the cable from the turntable to the preamp. The tone arm metal through which the 4 wires are threaded. . What is important to ensure that there is no earth loop.. If the earth connection can form any loop it will inject hum. Things to look out for include tv antenna, HDMI cables USB cables, RCA cables all of which have a connection at earth potential. ..And of course any earthed electrical power circuits.
 

BlueWizard

Distinguished Member
...

My thoughts now turn to CD's and I need some kind of amp to run any cd player, so once again I am stuck having to look for a Cd and Amp combo
Why? Why do you need an Amplifier? The Edifier have an extra Analog input, just connect a CD to it. You can select the different inputs on the Edifier Remote Control.





All you need is a CD Player, connect it to one of the analog input, and you are set.

Is there something you are not telling us? Because I really don't see the need for an Amp?

If you are trying to keep the budget to a minimum, then the Denon CD520 is reasonable at about £159 -

Denon DCD-520 CD Player Black - CD Players - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

Denon DCD-520 CD Player Silver - CD Players - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

At about £200, I list CD Players for Onkyo, Marantz, and Yamaha, both good. If you can raise the budget to £250, then the Yamaha CD-N301 with Network Streaming is a good deal.

Yamaha CD-N301 Black Network CD Player - CD Players - AV Online - UK Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists

How far do you want to take it?

If you want to really skimp on size and cost, there are DVD Player with decent DACs that will play CDs. You could probably get one of these for less than £50.

Buy the Philips 2000 series DVD player DVP2800/05 DVD player

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-DVP2800-Player-Quality-Outputs/dp/B00BBTQXOG/?tag=av0c-21

The Phillips DVP-2800 has 24b/192k Audio DACs so should sound pretty good. One problem, not display. No on-display list of tracks or play-time, but at £26, you make some sacrifices for economy.

https://www.download.p4c.philips.com/files/d/dvp2800_05/dvp2800_05_dfu_eng.pdf

If you have or intend to have a BluRay Player, then that can also double as a CD Player, though not likely to have Analog Outputs. However, it will likely have Optical and/or Coaxial Outputs which can be connected to the Edifier Speakers.

Steve/bluewizard
 
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muljao

Well-known Member
Why? Why do you need an Amplifier? The Edifier have an extra Analog input, just connect a CD to it. You can select the different inputs on the Edifier Remote Control.





All you need is a CD Player, connect it to one of the analog input, and you are set.

Is there something you are not telling us? Because I really don't see the need for an Amp?

Steve/bluewizard
I don't think any of the suggestions have been digested
 

ademcg

Standard Member
Hi and sorry for the delayed response, I have been spring cleaning and modifying my desk for all this to sit on:laugh:.

Steve, My thought for an amp was to try and see where the "humming sound" was from, e.g. the Pro-ject TT or the Schiit Mani as I could not cut out the schiit mani and still hear the TT.

I know the Schiit runs the direct output from the TT, could it be fed into an amp to improve the sound (some kind of equalisation? )

Turntable>Phono box>Speakers (sounds ok)

Turntable>Phono box>Amp>Speakers (can adjust / equalise?) Sound improved?
Sorry for the questions, I am not an audiophile of any description.:smashin::blush:

oh, I did replace the cruddy standard RCA cables from the Schiit to the speaker with these:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B016QVZEZM?ref=em_1p_1_ti&ref_=pe_11140961_368760501&th=1
every little helps I guess.

You are of course right, the CD player will go straight into the input of the speakers, one of the main reasons (that and blu-tooth) that I chose the Edifiers.

I am currently looking to purchase a used cd player (the Yamaha unit you mentioned seems to cover all bases..thanks for that info) and see where we go from there.

My only concern currently is the sound quality coming from the pro-ject turntable, it is terrible and the background hum is annoying.

Side note, if I touch the outside shielding of any of the 4 wires leading out of the stylus / cartridge, which go into the tonearm, the humming increases several orders of magnitude I guess as it should?? but perhaps earthing is potentially a problem here??:eek:
As dannnellle pointed out earlier (point 2 above), perhaps the shielding is not up to the job on the head shell / stylus??

I have been looking into the replacement of the head shell (stylus) and wow these things are getting expensive, £50 for a genuine Ortofon unit, correct my view but I might be better putting that money towards a complete replacement TT? I wish I never sold my Technics SL-1210's (Mk2) back in the day:facepalm::thumbsdow
 
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BlueWizard

Distinguished Member
The Turntable needs to be Grounded. There should be a screw or silver Ground Knob on the Schiits. Assuming the turntable has a separate ground wire, then ground the turntable to the Ground on the Schiits. If it doesn't have a ground wire, then try grounding the Schiits to one of the chassis screw on the Edifier.

Turntables will always hum horribly if there is no connection to an Earth Ground.

Can we assume that Blutooth works OK - no hum?

Steve/bluewizard
 

ademcg

Standard Member
Hi Steve,
yes blutooth works great no hum.
And also yes, the first thing I wired was the earth from the turntable to the earth on the Schiit. As I mentioned before, it did come loose and got way worse, so I reattached it, now there is just a low level hum.
So its either the turntable or the Schiit??
 

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