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help me choose a new LCD 32" TV - Sony or Philips?

Discussion in 'LCD & LED LCD TVs' started by NeilTh, Dec 1, 2004.

  1. NeilTh

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    Hi

    Need some advice if I can.....

    I've ordered the Sony KDL-L32MRX1 32" LCD tv, which retails at £2800 at the local Sony centre. All online suppliers are out of stock of these until after Xmas, so the Sony centre is the best bet for now, as I want to finish off the project of a new fireplace, and tv before xmas.

    Link: http://www.sony.co.uk/PageView.do?s...rojector/TVP+Digital+TV&productsku=KDLL32MRX1

    However, I've seen this evening the Philips 32PF9976 on Empire Direct, in stock for just £1469.00 - thats half the price of the Sony! http://www.empiredirect.co.uk/content/products/details/index.asp?modelcode=PHI-32PF9976

    Question is, is the Sony really that much better than the Philips? Cant seem to understand the massive price difference between the two myself

    Can anyone help please? Seems to me that the Philips is the best value for money here.

    oh - BTW, the TV is for an above the fireplace job, so will be recessed into the chimney stack,

    Thanks muchly

    Neil
     
  2. Xelon

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    If you have the money to burn on the Sony brand, then that's you're call, having followed this LCD forum for the last month, lots of good reviews for the Philips 32"\37" LCD's virtually no mention of the overpriced Sony's. Have you paid too much? I nearly ordered the Sharp GA3 Aquos 37" from Empire Direct the other week, which has excellent reviews and features for £1900 or as close as, it was withdrawn a few weeks later due to demand, now that's £900 less than the Sony 32", also the Sharp GA3/4 32" panels can be had for £1249, and are reputed to be the finest LCD panels available, due to Sharp having the first 5th (I think) generation LCD manufacturing plant. As I say we all have a choice, just thought I'd give you my humble opinion.
     
  3. NeilTh

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    thanks for the opinions.

    Havent paid anything yet for the Sony, not collecting it until the weekend, so still time to opt for a different set, but want to be sure that the Philips will give the same or v.similar performance, for half the price.

    Never hd any sharp products to date, always opted for Sony and Philips - and never had any problems with their products - so brand loyalty I guess

    Anyone else?

    Neil
     
  4. NeilTh

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    nobody else got anything to add?

    Neil
     
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    To be honest, your not really comparing like with like. The Sony is like their flagship product for the size, the Philips is a budget model without PixelPlus 2 and other feature that you may or may not want. Im sure that you would also notice a picture quality difference with the two side by side in favor of the Sony.

    A more equal comparision picture quality wise might be the Sony KDL-L32MRX1 vs Philips 32PF9986 or the entry level Sony KLV-L32M1 vs Philips 32PF9976.

    -Ian
     
  6. Up The Spurs!

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    Hi Neil,

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Philips.
    I have check a Dutch review site for you. Philips is sold quite a lot here for one reason or another.

    The 9976 scores a solid 9

    8 on sound
    9.6 on PQ
    9.3 on reliablity.
     
  8. Spartacus

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    9.6 compared to what?

    Would be interesting to see "standardised" ratings accross CRT:LCD:plasma:RP

    That would help far more than these relative ratings.
     
  9. NeilTh

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    Ok, thanks for all the input so far.

    I want to purchase something that is as close to my 28" CRT Philips as I can currently get, and if I have to spend a little more to get that, then so be it.

    From the reviews and general info so far the Sony KDL-L32MRX1 seems to be about as close as it gets. Plus I'm not too keen on the styling of te Philips 32PF9986, hence the reason I was looking at the 32PF9976 - much nicer looking set IMHO.
     
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    Having owned 8 different lcd televisions it is my opinion that the philips 32pf9976 is the best

    The image quality is excellent the pixel plus system really works and there is very little image lag if any from the screen
    I use the set for DVD's and gaming I do not use it for television analogue or digital
    I have found it to be a far superior screen than sony's 32M1

    If any one has any questions feel free to ask
     
  11. NeilTh

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    hmmmm....ok, so the to sum up - the Sony is overpriced at £2800, and not that much better, if possibly not as good as, the Philips 976 model?

    Neil
     
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    Check the Sharps out mate, they are very good :thumbsup:
     
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    For what its worth i wouldnt pay that much for a sony. I think a lot of the time you pay for the Sony name when in fact you can get a tv that is virtually as good for half the pruce. There seems to be a lack of standardistion amongst reviewers and ver few people are likely to bitch about their tv's when they have just forked out 2 and a half grand....they will want to see the best in them.

    From what i have read and in my several week long delve into the LCD quagmire i have learnt several things about buying.

    1 set a bugdget and stick to it. You can allow yourself a few quid either way but you MUST draw the line somewhere. ( remember that more expensine does not always mean better)
    2 Check out the specification. Do a spread sheet comparing the tvs with the features that are most important to you and the most future proofing that you can.
    3 Grab as much advice from this forum as possible but it even that is no substitute for demoing the tv.
    4 Remeber that if you dont like the set you generally have 7 days to send it back, you will probably have to pay postage but £45 is a small price to pay if you are saving a lot more!!!

    Although this process is pretty obviose a lot of people ( including me) are bamboozled by the info/gimmick available and actually loise sight of the initial want.

    IMHO of course. ( Ps i have read many good reports of the 9976, it is on my shortlist with a toahiba for demoing at the weekend)

    Regards
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  14. NeilTh

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    ok, well thanks very much everyone, this was my first post here and very much appreciate the info everyone has supplied

    After much consideration and thought, I took the jump 5 mins ago and ordered the Philips http://www.empiredirect.co.uk/content/products/details/index.asp?modelcode=PHI-32PF9976

    Delivery on Monday / Tuesday. Just need the fireplace and false chimney breast installed now and we're away!

    Thanks to all again

    Neil
     
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    Neil,

    When you get it let us know what you think and how it performs.

    Many thanks
    Gpc
     
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    I would have a look at the forum and look for the connectivity issues with the Philips. One of the advantages of the Sony it has a component input (3 RCA) with progressive input which works like a breeze with any DVD with a component out and progressive scan.

    The Philips doesn't have a component input. it has a DVI input, which is great only if you have a DVD player with DVI-out! Philips claims the set ships with a VGA-to-DVI cable, and that you can then connect a component-to-VGA to that one to achieve the component-to-DVI. Well, many people have tried... and nobody achieved to get an image! This is the major problem with the Philips, well documented in other threads. Bottom line, you may be paying for progressive scan and not enjoying it at all!

    I was bugged off by this and finally got the Sony KLV-L32M1 (cheaper than the MRX but also has the WEGA engine) and am delighted with it so far.

    Look out for Philips connectivity...
     
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    But the DVI input of the Philips is compatible with the Sky HDTV while the Sony doesn't have a DVI or HDMI input.
    From what I have read in this forum the DVI is far better than the component input.
     
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    Seems people are put off the Philips because of potential connectivity issues.

    I thought i read that forum members were achieving a signal through component-DVI by means of a firmware upgrade on the 32" 9986.

    Anyway, I purchased the 37" 9986 - no fancy gizmos - old DVD player, video, Sky and Playstation. The picture, IMHO, is fantastic. The 9986 is rated at <12ms refresh and I cannot see any lag.

    I would recommend the Philips 9986 without hessitation!
     
  19. NeilTh

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    I dont think this will be a problem - we're using the TV for wacthing Tivo recorded programs and via the standard Sky digibox, neither of which are Component.

    We usually watch DVD's on our (Sony! eeek) projector

    DOes anyone know if the new extended capacity Sky Plus job deffo supports DVI?

    Neil
     
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    Hi

    I've purchased a Philips 32PF9976 and I'm starting to panic that I might have purchased a lemon! Long story but I decided on this model after a frustrating delay in getting a Sharp 324GAE tv.

    Can anybody assure me that this set provides good picture quality. I'm currently using a Sony KVM 32" CRT (about six years old)?

    Also does anybody know if I purchase a component-vga lead ( http://www.beststuff.co.uk/specialist_rgb_leads.htm ) and attach the dvi adaptor whether I will be able to utilise this method to get progressive scan?

    Apologies for the numerous questions - I mainly want reassurance about the quality of the set as I've yet to read a full review.

    Many thanks :)

    P
     
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    take a look at: http://www.avforums.com/frame.html?http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150844
    it might help you
     
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    CarnalSins

    Thanks for the link. I'm still none the wiser as to the quality of the set and I'm unable to get to a store to view this or any other sets.

    With regards to Progressive scan, I had read somewhere on these boards that all LCD panels were capable of this by design. Of course it may be an issue of how you get a P scan feed on to the screen I suppose? I must admit that the Philips website is as much use as a chocolate fireguard as it seems to give a lot of misleading info??

    I'm praying that all will be well when I get the set.

    Cheers

    P
     
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    I have this set and am very, very pleased with it. I did look at all sorts of LCD screens including the Sonys, but I don't like the design of their of their current line of LCD screens, despite being a Sony afficionado in general. I briefly considered the stunningly good-looking MRX1 but this was just out of my budget and does seem seriously overpriced. Overall the 32PF9976 seemed to offer the best value for money, particularly since it has very good connectivity -- it lacks component inputs but incorporates a DVI interface to which you can connect component leads using an adaptor.

    Its picture quality is excellent, it looks very nice, and the user interface is OK overall (some glitches here and there, but at least the remote is very user friendly). It will take progressive scan up to 1080i through the DVI interface. I understand there was an issue with early models not having the proper firmware, but this should be fixed by now. Haven't got a chance to try this out yet, though, but I did manage to get a very nice WXGA picture from my mac through the DVI.

    One useful feature is its active control, that adjusts various picture parameters as a function of ambient light -- I found this to be very effective in maintaining a consistent appearance at various times of day.

    This is my first LCD television. I did take a couple of days and substantial amounts of fiddling with the various settings to get used to the picture, which is radically different from my old Sony CRT. Comparing the two now just clearly reveals how precise, stable, and sharp the LCD picture is, even with relatively poor sources. I am even satisfied with the blacks.

    So I think you'll be very happy with this set!

    --axc
     
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    axc

    Thank you very much for your feedback. It has put my mind at rest a bit.

    I actually got a call this afternoon asking if I could take delivery of my new TV tomorrow. Fingers crossed, I should have the TV set up tomorrow evening.

    I'll post my opinions / views on the set a few days after I've had a chance to play with it. This may hopefully be of use to others on this forum and its my way of saying thank you to all those who gave me advice on buying my DVD recorder and TV.

    Cheers

    P
     
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    For anyone who's interested I owned a Sharp 32ga3 I was not impressed with it
    I connect my equipment with good quality RGB SCART cables I do not use component video

    For starters the screen image was extremely soft for my Xbox and PS2 when I sharpened the image all I got sharpened was the outlines and edges the level of detail on the screen was very poor Soul Caliber 2 was extremely fudgy

    DVD was okay but the black bars above and below a film had lines and bars moving all over the place they were also present on the film image but harder to see

    I really dont understand how anyone could rate this screen I thought it was terrible maybe that's why Sharp cut the prices to try and get rid of them

    No comparison to my Philips 9976
     

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