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Help grabbing a bit of a dvd for a powerpoint pres

Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD discs' started by Sword, Jun 16, 2005.

  1. Sword

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    Hi :)

    I'd like to grab a two minute clip from a film on a DVD that I am going to rent.

    It is for use in a powerpoint presentation in a higher education environment ie not for money making etc. I'm told that this is quite legal and I have two questions:

    1) is it legal?

    2) how do I do it? Can you direct me to the right (freeware) software? I've got a good fast xp PC etc etc

    nb - I've looked at the stick on how to back up movies but I don't think this would help me - though correct me if I'm wrong!

    ta very much :)
    Sword
     
  2. Kevo

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    Use DVD Shrink (freeware)to extract the clip and import the resulting VOB into say TMPG DVD Author (trial version available) to create an mpg file which I think you can use in Powerpoint.
     
  3. Sword

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    ta - I'll give it a pop :)
     
  4. vonhosen

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    No, it's not if you don't own the copyright.
     
  5. Sword

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    ... but I thought that you could use a small portion of any copyright material for use in a non profit educational environment??? Again, I'm looking at 2 mins from a 140 minute film...
     
  6. vonhosen

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    Copyright law isn't an easy read, but I think you'd need permission of the copyright owner to use it in a presentation. Always best to check (I'm not a lawyer)
     
  7. gazzerdaman

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    If you own a copy of the original source material, IIRC you are allowed under UK Law to make backup copies but only one can be used at once. So you are probably okay to use it in this presentation.
     
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    Thing is he doesn't own a copy he's going to rent it!

    By the way what movie is it?
     
  9. vonhosen

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    Think that was US law that was claimed under not UK.

    Can always check here
    http://www.fact-uk.org.uk/
     
  10. Sword

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    Got some copyright people in work who I'll ask to get to the bottom of it for me :)

    Film is the recent Time Machine....

    ta,
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  11. vonhosen

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    Perhaps you can post back & let us know what they say :)
     
  12. Sword

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    yea, will do.

    Bah humbug btw - the trial version of dvd shrink won't read from copy protected ...

    Anyone recommend another?

    S
     
  13. Indiana Jones

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    Get TMPGEnc Plus, it will allow you to browse a .vob file and select only the scenes you want and will then output an .mpg file which you can play directly through DVD playback software or Media Player.
     
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    Try DVD Decrypter instead
     
  15. Sword

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    guys,

    can't find either of the above two on downloads.com ... where would they be?

    ta again,
    Sword
     
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    Yep DVD Shrink is a freeware program but seeing as you only want a specific 2 mins of footage you will need to use a program which lets you browse and select only certain scenes, DVD Decrypter and DVD Shrink wont let you do this but TMPGEnc Plus will.
     
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    DVD Shrink WILL let you browse and select specific scenes. I use it all the time to do just this and it doen't re-encode the mpg file.

    Sometimes DVD Shrink won't decrypt so have to use DVD Decrpter first.

    However TMPG Enc will not read any encrypted DVD (AFAIK) but not sure if it re-encoeds or not
     
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    True TMPGEnc Plus wont read an encrypter file so first rip the whole dvd to the hard drive, then load it into DVD2AVI, create a project file, then load that into TMPGEnc Plus, then select the scenes you want and re-encode to either a VCD/SVCD or DVD file using the settings you want.
     
  20. Sword

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    Okay boys ... ta for info, I've given it a go.

    I now have a 39MB mpg file of my 3 minute clip - but when I play it in media player, I have no sound...

    I think the problem probably is that when using TMPGEnc, I found the video file (project I'd created) but no matter what file I tried to click on, it wouldn't accept anything for audio imput ...

    I had NO IDEA this would be so difficult! I'm really surprised that there isn't one single piece of s/w that grabs, lets you select then output in whatever format.

    Any ideas what I do from here?

    Apologies,
    Sword
     
  21. Steve.J.Davies

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    You have to make sure you select the right audio option in DVD2AVI otherwise you wont get any audio. To do this click on Audio then Output Method and select either Demux or Decode to Wav, if one doesnt work then the other should.
    Once the project is saved you should have a .d2v file and a .wav or .mpa audio file.
     
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    Use DVDShrink to rip out the section of DVD you want, then when you have the *.vob file just rename to *.mpg and import into powerpoint...

    NOTE: DVDShrink is FREEWARE, goto www.dvdshrink.org download latest version and away you go...
     
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    Which is pretty much what I said in the first reply of this thread.

    Note, re-naming a VOB file to an mpg is not usually recommended and results can be unpredictable on larger files, but in this case with small files it shoul dbe OK.
     
  25. Mr.D

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    Copyright wise you are categorically not allowed to use anything without clearance . Nor are you allowed to alter it. However I doubt anyone will come after you.
     
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    Although I'm not 100% certain and you could well be correct Mr.D, I THINK that Sword is okay here legally.

    I work for a University and have studied copyright law (albeit fifteen years ago). Both not for profit organisations and educational bodies have certain exemptions from uk copyright law. Mainly this covers printed works (and is therefore what allows students to photocopy chapters from library textbooks and journals without breaking the law). The exemptions cover dramatic works, films, photgraphy, works of art, music etc and the exemptions differ in each category.

    It's very long and complicated law, but from what I remember for films/DVDs the following would be a good guide;

    1. The reason for the display has to be for instruction or education
    2. The audience has to be made up entirely of students and teachers (no parents, friends in attendance).
    3. The location must be within a recognised educational establishment (play groups, holiday camps etc proabably don't qualify)

    If the above conditions are met, you can get away with showing the entire DVD or clip without a PPL, otherwise you will need one.
     
  27. Sword

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    Thanks guys - I'm going to try and get copyright permission anyway from warner bros - should be a laugh. Sent 'em a fax this afternoon (to the US).

    I'll let you know how far I get.
     

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