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Discussion in 'Televisions' started by monsieurblack, Oct 6, 2003.

  1. monsieurblack

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    Hi all :)

    just wanted to say a quick hi. i 've been browsing the forums for a bit and have duly signed up as i'm at the stage where i'm prepared to part with a lot of cash ;) :eek: [hey, come on...it doesn't happen very often! :D lol]

    now i know i've found the best/most helpful/friendlyist place on the net [or anywhere for that matter!] for guidance and advice on entering the world of home cinema i was hoping some of you knowledgeable lot would be able to give me a quick grounding of advice.

    basically i am a complete newb when it comes to the tv etc. sorry [i'm cool as far a the pc is concerned...but unfortunately i don't think thats gonna help me :eek:] so please bare with me peeps, thank you :)

    i understand that when buying a 32" widescreen tv [or most things...] its down to personal preference and seeing the tv with my own eyes is really the only way to be absolutely sure, i'm just afraid of not knowing what to look for and what questions to ask when i am 'demo-ing' the sets that i'll end up with a tv that i'm just not happy with :eek: and after spening that amount of money i'm hoping to avoid that...


    i'm currently looking for a 32" widescreen tv [for my new house! yay! :D] i'm quite keen on not having a complete home cinema set-up as in the separate huge floor standing speakers and separate amp etc etc. so think i want just the speakers that come with the tv [?] surround sound [5.1 and dts] is a must as i like watching dvds. i don't have sky of any description :eek: sorry guys but would consider getting a digital aerial put in [as well as a new analogue as my existing i'm guessing is around 100 years old! lol oh and at the wrong end of the house...]

    the sets i've been looking at so far are:

    SONY KD-32DX150
    PANASONIC TX-32PD30
    TOSHIBA 32ZP38B

    still not sure on whether or not 100hz is for me...so i'll need to have some viewings to decide. i mainly watch dvd's and apart from that it'll be a lil bit of tv in the evenings/wkends and sport [pretty much all from football to snooker :cool:] so the source would either be dvd or the aerial [is that right?] so any suggestions of which one would be best suited to my needs? if i understand correctly, then the toshiba has a good sound setup [?] but just not too sure really.


    really sorry to run on :eek: its just i really am quite in the dark about all this and i'm scared of blowing a good grand on something that'd i be dissapointed with.


    thanks again for your time
    look forward to hearing from you all :)
    take care
    monsieurblack
     
  2. monsieurblack

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    hi again :hiya:

    come on peeps :D dieing to hear your views :smashin:

    side note...is a new 'digital' aerial required for my needs? for one of the above mentioned sets...[or any others...?] if so i don't suppose anyone can recommend a good person to do the job please? [leics/midlands area]


    if at all poss...i'd like to buy before chirstmas, but that obviously depends on whether i can get the funds together [so maybe someone might be able to recommend a good place to go that offer interest free credit for 6-9mnths or so but also has good prices? :blush:] but i also understand it can take a while to look around the various stores and do the research so i'm all ears :)


    thanks again
    sorry to be pain :(
    feeling stooopid
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    Not quite up to speed now on Loewe but I have one and most other members on the site are highly pleased with them. I have seen the silver Aconda as low as £1203.
    The only down side is if you like a 4:3 picture stretched to fill the screen it does not do it but uses a correct ratio compromise 14:9 and it does not have composite inputs.
    It does not have Dolby Digital but one can be fitted as inside the set there is slots that you can fit different modules just like cards on a PC. You can even fit one so you can use the TV as a computer monitor.
    I have never seen any problems with the picture using the DVD due to the TV but rather the player.
    The best person to ask about the Aconda is groundy.

    The best thing seeing you have a short list is go some where you can compare them and take a DVD with you as the picture will be the same on all the sets.
     
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    hiya Garrett :)

    thanks for your reply. i think that just what i'll have to do...go check things out for myself with my own mince pies :cool:

    i feel i'm just in a bit too deep atm :eek: y'know? coming here n seeing just how much there is too it all is a lil overwhelming :eek:

    thinking about it more...what do you think about going for a set thats in a slightly cheaper range?...thats not the super-duper top of range 32" flagship models from toshiba/panasonic like their pf2 and pd30 etc but going for a set with less bell n whistles as far as picture 'enhancements' are concerned. one of the strata [32zt29/32zd26...?] sets? or a equivelant panasonic [tx32dt4/tx32ps12...?] /sony [kv32fx68u/kv32fq70...?] ones? sorry to ask, but as you can see i really don't know what i'm doing and just don't want to make a big mistake.

    if i were to go for the 'cheaper' tv then i would probably get an 'all-in-one' dvd/speaker set to go with it at a later date...don't suppose you could recommend a good one could you please? it would have to be multi-region as i have quite a few r1 dvds [as as the odd r4...] it wouldn't have to be that loud as i live in a terrace house so i don't want to fall out with my neighbours! lol

    i think that the above 'may' be the way to go...saving a lil on the set itself and then spending some of the money i've saved on a dvd player n speaker package [one of those sexy looking ones ;)]


    again, apologies for all the questions...
    thank you
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  5. Garrett

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    I cannot comment on the all in one DVD and surround jobbies as I have never took any notices of them.
    I tend to go for the best I can get at the time and the save up for the extras later. My TV’s tend to last 7-10 years and for the amount of time used is where I would put my money. Is there an other object that is used as much next to your furniture and bed?
    There was a cheaper Loewe set than the Aconda that used the same insides just the case was not the mutts nuts, but I could not find it last night.
    I like Panasonic sets but if you have a Pioneer DVD player I have been reading there can be some incompatibility with the two (see threads on this in the DVD Forum on this site).
     
  6. monsieurblack

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    ah ok

    again, thanks for helping me out :) :cool:

    i didn't realise that there were cheaper loewe sets, i'll have to investigate. but yup, you guessed it...my current dvd player is pioneer :blush:

    hey ho...as i've mentioned, i am considering changing it so i suppose that isn't really a problem...:confused:

    i think my next plan of action will be to check out the 100hz and 50hz and make my own mind up as which i prefer. i personally notice the difference between 85hz and 100hz on my pc monitor :eek: so it would be nice to go with a 100hz set, but i'l have to see whether the artifacts that i here it can produce i can put up with. possibly going for a tv that has the option to turn off most of its 'digital trickery' perhaps, so at least i'll have it there if i were to need it :)

    i hear what you're saying re: getting the best you can afford at the time [same rings true for buyng your pc components :)] its just i'm thinking about getting an all in one system and don't want to splash out for a really pricey tv and then have no cash for my all-in-one as i've just renovated my house [from new roof and boiler to replastering/new skirting the lot...] and still have lots to do/buy [boring stuff like curtains, sofa, table etc ;)] so it'd be nice if i could save some cash where possible. especially as i'm not gonna be doing the whole 'home cinema experience' thing like buying seperates [speakers/amp etc] i doubt i'll be gaining much by opting for a slightly 'lesser' model [:confused:]


    if there are any 32" tv's that anyone could recommend that think are worth checking out then i'd be very grateful. i just need pointing in the right direction...

    he he






    thank you!
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    Maybe reading the "help for a newbie" thread I posted will help.

    There is some excellent input from members which really charts like a diary from a perspective of someone who knows nothing starting from scratch.
    I ended up buying a 32" philips 6517,Sony Dav s 550 All in one,Speaker stands cabling + VCR (Panasonic).

    I know not if it is the best but seems to me to be fair value for money.
    The 50 HZ V 100 Hz debate has been covered in a number of threads but it seems to be a matter of personal taste dictated by what you watch(Sports?) maybe films on DVD.
    I ended up with 50HZ due to the T.V being primarily used for watching sport as I understood 100 Hz not best suited.
    Hope this little piece of input helps.
     
  8. monsieurblack

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    hiya ibrox :)

    thanks for your reply. i'll check out the thread now, cheers

    as far as 50hz/100hz goes i think like you say i'll have to see the sets in action with my own eyes and try to decide then which i actually prefer.

    as posted earlier, i'm 'considering' getting a tv for around the 600-700-ish mark and spending the rest on an 'all-in-one' affair like yourself...well that was until i saw some loewe tv's running today that is! :D lol man they were sweet i'm telling you :smashin: :eek: seriously it'd be great to get one of those [and who knows...] but i can't really don't think i can stretch my budget...

    didn't think i'd find it this hard to spend my money! he he so its still looking like a visit to the stores and checking out the whats on offer. the sony KV32FX68 seems to pretty good but i always said to myself [admittedly before i started to investigate...] that i wouldn't get a sony purely on the basis that i felt i was paying for the name :eek: doh! oh well, if i like it, i don't really mind whos badge is on the front :)

    i'll be sure to look out for the set you have [thanks for posting] and see how i like it, being 50hz n all :)


    on a side note, i don't suppose you'd be able to recommend whether or not its worth having an integrated freeview 'thingy' [technical term ;)] as i've seen what i think to be pretty good toshiba set that had one [although i seem to recall reading somewhere that some of the toshiba models are due for an overhall any day now...] any ideas?




    sorry to hassle you all with my seemingly endless questions
    i really can't say just how much i appreciate all of the help i've received so far...
    thanks peeps!
    monsieurblack
     
  9. whitcat

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    I've found these forums useful and was looking seriously at the 32" Loewe Aventos - it does have a fantastic picture.

    My experience was partly the opposite to Garrett's though. The Loewe's don't have a 14:9 mode, which I find useful for 4:3 material and especially good for 14:9 stuff. The Panorama mode is similar, but in my opinion brought in too much horizontal stretching so wasn't a 'correct' aspect ratio. Good geometry, convergence, etc isn't much good to me when a circle is shown as an ellipse. There were two zoom modes though. If you really want unsightly stretching the set could be left in 16:9 mode for 4:3 images to be stretched to fill the screen.

    The Aventos does have a composite input on the side but a scart adaptor is easy enough to find. I can get mixed up with the terms component and composite and if Garrett meant component, the Aventos can accept this but only through a specific cable via scart 3.

    Having read past posts I feel I shouldn't stray back to Sony. Other than Sony and Loewe, not many sets offer 2 RGB scarts. I've been comparing the FX68 and FQ70. Maybe it's the Vertical Picture Stabiliser on the FQ70, but it does have a far superior picture to the FX68 on static images. E.g. watching Weakest Link in a store, the FX68 was, well, vertically unstable around the lecterns the contestants stand behind. (This was the case in more than one store.) The FX68 pips it very slightly on motion, I found, due to less processing. Both fall down with a ropey analogue image, as most 100Hz TVs do.

    I bought a cheap Freeview box (the £50 OEM Goodmans GDB3 in Sainsburys) for three things:
    1. Seeing if I could get Freeview at home.
    2. Take it to shops to see how the TVs perform with a good everyday signal.
    3. Solve a Christmas present idea.
    It might be worthwhile checking you can get Freeview before buying an IDTV since they can carry a price premium. Borrowing a friend's box would also do.

    I'm looking for FQ70 prices for JL to price match but not much less than £900 seems possible. I finally discovered Totaldigital.biz - fine with dial-up but Telewest broadband won't let you see it.

    James
     
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    Hi monsieurblack;
    I can`t answer the technical side of your freeview question but as a layperson I would assume freeview would only be of use to anybody who does not access to the freeview channels either through cable/digital.
    I would also check the ramications of having freview.(In other words is it freeview for ever!!)

    Regarding T.V if you are prepared go for what I gather to be a good picture on a T.V a model philips 6506(50hz) which will go on a special offer in Costco(with voucher) on 20th-26th Oct only for around £520-£530 which includes a 3 yr warranty.

    My views are shaped by some members perceptions and not a consuming love affair with philips although I am happy with the 6517 I got.
    The 6506 seems to be a predecessor of the 6517 but by all accounts has been the recipient of good feedback.

    I am sure there are equally good if not better products like the Loewe or maybe Sony models but again IMO views are shaped by individual preference/usage and price/value for money.

    Checking quality in shops seems not to be a solution as I understand there are few places where you can actually determine quality due to the way sets are set up but I am sure there better people on here qualified to advise on this matter..
     
  11. monsieurblack

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    hi again ibrox :)

    thanks for your input. hadn't really considered philips much until now, so i'll make sure to see one in action when i visit the stores in search of my 'ideal' :cool:

    the sony KV32FQ70 is still looking quite tempting in terms of features/quality/price etc but still, theres the need to see it in action. i think like yourself, i'm just trying to strike a compremise between quality/features and price. to be honest, its not as clear cut and easy as i originally thought it might be :eek: heres me thinking that there'd be 'the one' to pick for X amount and 'brand Y model Z' if you have 'this' much to spend etc :suicide:

    i agree about how difficult it is to judge the tv's in places like comet etc as none are set up all that well and we're expected to just walk in and part with our cash :eek:. i'm sure almost all the tv's they have are under performing as i went in to a 'specialist' the other day and saw a loewe set running [on just an aerial input] and i was blown away with the quality compared to other tv's i've seen in the 'superstores' and i'm sure that the difference can't be that big [...can it?...i know loewe's are good, but...?] i think alot of the sets just need that 'expert' set up and time devoted to its initial settings and it'd be much better to compare them.

    i'll try to trust my eyes and have a lil fiddle around with the settings [not that i know what i'm doing! lol] and see what picture i can get. repeating the same for the tv's i'm interested in and then take it from there. most likely pick my fave 2 or 3, take note of their model no.'s and come back here and see if i can find any previous posts about them.


    phew! running on again! sorry
    hopefully have time this weekend [possibly sunday...] to go 'window shopping' and i'll report back :cool:

    thank you!!!
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    just a couple of quick points freeveiw is free.
    You might need a new aerial more info here http://www.freeview.co.uk/
    Mowt wrong with your pioneer amp and some thing like this http://www.richersounds.co.uk/index.php?f=itemdetl.php&p=301576
    and some speakers like these
    http://www.richersounds.co.uk/index.php?f=itemdetl.php&p=205417
    or these NO amp needed (demo first of course)
    http://www.richersounds.co.uk/index.php?f=itemdetl.php&p=300295

    Loads more out there but a few ideas here

    On TV side of things I like the PD30 from Panasonic, JVC 32D25 also nice.
     
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    groovy :)

    cheers for the info :cool::smashin:


    helps no end. already looking in to getting new aerial, a must i think. so sets with built in freeview recievers...i'll see what comes in around my budget but i could always add one at a later date eh? :)

    i already have a pioneer 636d dvd player[model no. from memory :eek::eek:] so could stick with that for now until i can afford to get an 'all-in-one'. i have the videologic speaker set but without that decoder box, so therefore no remote...a little inconvenient but i suppose i could put up with it for a while...just want some sexier looking speakers n sub. and preferably ones on stands, at least the rears anyway.



    aaahhh!!! so much to think about! lol

    :clown:


    keep you suggestions/info coming...
    thank you all
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    Probably something you're aware of, but in my experience digital through an antenna is not worth the effort. When I use my parents TV I actually turn it back to analogue. I don't understand the technical side but I guess because the digital signal is either a 1 or a 0, you either do or don't receive the packets (or whatever) - there's no halfway house as with analogue. In other words if you get a blip in reception (which you probably wouldn't notice in analogue) you get blocks across the screen and scratches as the sound cuts in and out - real irritating and IMO not worth it. Yes my parents do live in London so it should be a good reception and they did pay £200 odd for an aerial upgrade. I'd go for a basic Sky/ cable package.
     
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    WOW! :eek::clap: :smashin: :zonked:

    hornydragon you're a star! thank you so much for all your help and time and everyone else too! :)

    the links are a lot of help :cool:

    the sony SA-VS500 ones in particular look pretty damn cool ;) and look to be just what i'm after. its interesting what you say about the 636 and i appreciate your commenting. you are in fact the second [or is it third...] person to tell me that the pioneer i have will be pretty hard to beat. which is obviously nice to know :) i just assumed the technology had come on so much that even the 150-ish ones would perform better, just shows how wrong i can be...and how glad i am of all of your help!

    excuse my ignorance here but senario time [bare with me...;)] if i were to go ahead and get say the sony 32" fx68u [so looking at around the 700-ish mark] saving me around 300-400. kept my own pioneer 636d and got the sa-vs500 to go with it...would i be able to just hook em straight up to my dvd player? the reason i ask is that as i said previously i currently have the videologic speakers and they hook directly into the back of my 636 and i can listen to my 5.1 and dts dvds fine [i assume this isn't the ideal...but it does work...and it most definately beats the very little crappy single speaker on the set itself] if it would be ok to do...or even in to the tv itself [current tv has no connections bar the one scart and aerial socket, so i'm not sure if it would be poss]...i'm just not sure how it all hooks up basically. if i could do that then that would give me time to save for the amp as i really would be pushing it with my funds.

    again, another stooopid question...but what would the benefits be of actually getting an amp at a later date? obviously assuming that i can plug the speakers in similar to how i do now. i don't need thundering earth shattering sound as i live in a terrace. so would i benefit from having the amo in my setup? if so how? just thinking out loud as it were and if i'm able to save a few hundred quid along the way, well, then i'm all for it! :D he he


    thanks again for everyones time



    ever grateful
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    think you might need an amp PS foun them for £350 at indigo av;)
     

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