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Help! Do I need a new receiver?

Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by lozkinjones, Oct 19, 2017.


    1. lozkinjones

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      Hi all. I think I need a new receiver, but wanted to get some expert impartial advice before splashing out.

      I currently have the following setup

      Samsung KS800 TV
      sony str dh520 Receiver

      I have the Tv and Receiver connected via ARC, and all my devices (PS4 Pro, Switch) through the oneconnect box meaning I get the 4K HDR on the pro and netflix apps on the TV with the sound coming through the receiver. However, I have a decent home-movie collection on Plex, but rather than use the Plex App on the TV, I have Plex Media Player on my PC which is plugged directly into the receiver. The reason is, because from what I understand, the only way to get 7.1 support and True HD / DTS MA is straight through the receiver as ARC cannot do it (and will make it lower quality and 5.1)

      This has been working fine for a while, but I'm now keen to start watching 4k HDR movies via plex on my new Nvidia Shield, however if I plug it into my receiver, it wont play 4k, and if I plug it in the oneconnect box, I wont get 7.1 and True HD / DTS MA.

      Is my only option to buy a new 4k capable receiver, and have the Shield go through the receiver (rather than the oneconnect) to get both the highest quality picture and audio?

      Thanks in advance
       
    2. Rambles

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      Yes, sort of. The other option is to use a source that has dual hdmi outputs. One to take 4k video to the TV and one to take hd audio to the amplifier.
       
    3. lozkinjones

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      Thanks for the response :)

      I don't think there are any plex clients with dual HDMI outputs although that would be the preferred option!

      I know I could just connect the Shield to the One Connect box which would provide the image quality I want, but I think to keep the highest quality audio I will need to invest in a new receiver
       
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      I believe plex can only output HDR in MP4 format so bare that in mind.

      Ultimately you will need an new av receiver if you wish to pass any HDR metadata through your receiver. I also believe that there are hdmi splitters, which should also solve your issue.

      Your PS4 pro will look a lot better though your receiver as is HDR capable and really makes a difference.

      Most 2017 entry level av receivers are hdcp 2.2 compliant with hdmi 2.0a and will pass through hdr.

      I think most 2016 do too. the Denon x2300 comes to mind, fwiw, is a great av receiver
       
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      Thanks - I wondered about a HDMI splitter, with one cable going into the oneconnect box, and the other to the receiver but I didn't think that would work as unlike dual HDMI outputs it wouldn't be able to split the audio from the video? I hope I'm wrong as that would be a much cheaper fix!
       
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      You could fit a graphics card to your PC with dual HDMI outputs (display port and DVI outputs may also be able to be converted to HDMI via a passive adapter). And then use one of the Plex PC clients, I am not sure if the Plex PC clients are fully supporting HDR yet though.

      How much different does it sound if you compare the HD audio tracks to standard Dolby Digital or DTS?
       
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      That I am not too sure. Pretty certain it's been discussed on here so could try the search function. Your right about the video/audio being sent together.

      One thing I would suggest is plug your PS4 directly to your TV as it does not carry HD audio from games. This way, you will be able to enjoy HDR whilst using your PS4 Pro.
       
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      Thanks - I think the bigger thing than the difference between the HD and standard audio is the fact that the KS800 can only send 5.1 via arc instead of the 7.1 I have setup :(
       
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      I am with you regarding the plex client and hdr. I have recently purchased powerdvd 17 which allows me to watch hdr contect directly from my htpc.
       
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      Thanks - I'll try the search now. I do currently have the Pro directly into the TV (well, into the One Connect box) so I'm getting the HDR / 4K but not the HD audio
       
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      Your AVR can upmix that for you though? I have a 5.1.2 set-up and have my AVR in Dolby Surround mode most of the time so that all of the speakers are always in use, even with stereo content. TV shows sound great!
       
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      Upmixing? That's something I'm not familiar with. What's the difference between genuine 7.1 and upmixed 7.1 from 5.1?
       
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      Upmixing is great, you should try it. It is not 'true' surround sound in the sense that if you input a 7.1 soundtrack into your AVR and you have 7.1 speakers, each channel of sound has been pre-mixed in the studio and the AVR passes this sound through to the relevant speaker as is.

      With upmixing, the AVR takes a stereo or 5.1 soundtrack and intelligently has a go at spreading the sound around to all of your speakers, in a way that makes it sound convincing. Looking at your AVR it seems that you have dolby pro logic, and a DTS upmixer available to you. It's just a case of trying them out and seeing how they sound. Some AVR's have the ability to customise the upmixing a bit, so you might have to read the manual if it doesn't seem obvious.
       
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      Thanks for that - so I guess that's what is currently happening when I'm playing the PS4 pro, or watching the Netflix or Amazon apps on the TV itself? Obviously the cheaper option would be just to plug the shield into the TV, and let it play SD audio...but where's the fun in that :)

      The Denon that was recommended above looks a great upgrade
       
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      Your current AVR will only be upmixing if you have set it to do that.

      But, yes, if you fancy an upgrade, then go for it. What's your budget?
       
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      Sub £500 would be my limit - an Atmos receiver would be ideal as I would like to have the option to get into Atmos next year....
       
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      Yes, Atmos is good.

      Okay so you have a few options at £500 ish.

      The Sony STRDN 1080 has been well reviewed:

      Sony Atmos AV Receiver

      And the new Denon within price range is this one:

      Denon AVR-X2400H AV Receiver

      These would be more or less like for like for what you have now.

      The Denon and Marantz receivers are very well regarded, and are all currently being replaced with new models, which means there are some bargains to be had on the outgoing models.

      Denon AVR-X3300W AV Receiver

      Marantz SR6011 AV Receiver

      I appreciate these are a bit over budget, but they are excellent receivers and would be a good upgrade from what you have now.
       
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      Surely best way to obtain highest quality audio is to use AVR pre-out into high quality stereo amplifier to drive front L & R speakers .
       
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      The Sony STR DH520 does not have front left and right pre-outs.
       
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