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Hello & Help - Pioneer vs Panasonic or Hitachi...

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by Serkie, Sep 12, 2005.

  1. Serkie

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    Firstly, hello from a new member! Great forum, which you have all contributed too!

    Well, after trawling the forums for a few weeks researching my impending purchase I thought I would sign up and post a thread to see if you guys can guide me.

    I’m a little fed up with differing salesman opinions in various high street superstores and specialist AV shops with regards to a HD Ready Plasma TV. The set is due to grace the wall of my newly decorated lounge and I’m looking to buy within the next couple of weeks.

    At first I thought it was simple, Panasonic PV500 but after having it demo’d to me against a Pioneer 435XDE I was convinced that the Pioneer was the set to go for, the colours on the Pioneer set looked better and running in HD mode IMO the picture was sharper. After a bit more research discovered that the 436XDE was out soon and should offer a significant improvement over the 435 but to be honest will it?

    Now I was in Comet at the weekend and the new Hitachi 42” Plasma was on demo, in HD mode of course and it looked great and has the significant benefit of being cheaper. Choices Choices Choices…

    I’ve got up to £2800 to spend, I want to wall mount it, no bigger than 43”, I want it to be HD Ready and I want to be able to use my laptop to surf the web on it.

    Those are my requirement should I wait for the 436XDE, stump for the Panasonic consider the Hitachi or go for something completely different?

    Many Thanks In Advance!
     
  2. scarty16

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    wait and demo them all with YOUR choice of material, ie: sport, DVD, sky, freeview whatever you will use it for most.

    Do the demo at a proper shop (not the normal high street vendors) and see a properly set up screen
     
  3. gizlaroc

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    The pioneer screens are great with HD stuff and very good with a decent dvd on the digital inputs, they are not as good with SD material, the scart inputs let it down a lot.

    The 436 will address the terrible black levels of the 435, and you would be nuts to buy a 435 now, it would have to be very cheap as the 436 is only £2499 for the screen and media box.

    I think it would be a tough call between the PV500 and the 436, if you want the best and ave a tuner (either Sky, Cable or Freeview) and have an amp and speakers then consider the Panel, the PHD8 does everything and will do it far better than the TVs you are talking about, it won't be a subtle improvement either.

    I wouldn't even consider the Hitachi with your budget, if you can afford the better screens why compromise?
     
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    Why does everyone talk so negative about the Hitachi 42PD7200? I have seen the screen and there is not much difference between this one and the Panasonic PV500 or Pioneer...

    Jeffrey
     
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    ALIS - the screen is "effectively" interlaced, not progressive scan like the others, thought to be a step backwards rather than forwards
     
  6. Drd

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    Ooops,head down scarty16,incoming!

    Joking aside serkie,there is only one rule.Buy the screen YOU like,s*d everyone else.It's you who's got to live with it.
     
  7. Serkie

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    Thanks for the comments peeps, appreciated. Are there seriously any other sets I should I be considering as well i.e. Sony KDEP42XS1?

    I must admit the Pioneer looks better built than the Panasonic and the seperate tuner box appeals to me in the sense that only one cable (HDMI) needs running to the screen opposed to lots of scarts for every input etc.
     
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    I will repeat what I said in my first response

    wait and demo them all with YOUR choice of material, ie: sport, DVD, sky, freeview whatever you will use it for most.

    And I agree with DRD, choose the one that you like best.

    ps: tin hat on and flame proof underware at the ready

    pps: Isn't the Sony a hitachi/fujitsu screen in disguise, just with Sony electronics and software
     
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    What effect does this have? How bad is the effectively interlaced screen compared to an progressive scan screen? Does this have an relation with the progressive scan option of DVD players or is it something totally different?

    Jeffrey
     
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    The Alis screen has a switch that operates 2 lines of the display, but can only switch one line or the other at any one time so in essence it turns on line 1 followed by 2 and back to 1.

    Advantage - easier to manufacture, screen will have a longer life potentially (though we are talking a theoretical life of 10-20 yrs here) and potentially brighter for most of its life, normally cost.

    Disadvantage - effectively interlaced therefore reduction in picture quality.

    as for DVD's if you set it to Progressive scan output the screeen assuming it can accept that signal will convert it to "interlaced" again before displaying it.

    Hope that helps

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    Forgive me ... but what a stupid post given the volume of discussion previously re the PD7200 v PV500 !!

    I spend 3 months reseraching my plasma purchase, I narrowed it down to the three screens and eventually plumped for the Hitachi over the Panasonic and the Pioneer ... why ????

    Because the package looks better (minus the speakers) IMHO

    The Hitachi was at least on par with both picture quality wise (after some fiddling)

    Ability to directly select AV inputs on the Hitachi

    Much more comprehensive options and settings screens on the Hitachi

    The motorised stand

    Now I paid top whack for the 7200 from John Lewis to get the warranty (so it was effectively just a hundred quid or so cheaper than the Panny) ... I could afford the Panny .. and the Pio .. no problem ... I shop for quality ie valuse for money, fitness for purpose, conformnace to requirements etc etc

    Given all that ... I got the Hitachi and am 100% happy with that choice.

    So, apologies again, please stop making such bloody stupid generalist remarks that some poor sods might just take as gospel !
     
  12. gizlaroc

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    Then you need to see them set up properly, there is an absolutely massive difference once calibrated, even basically.

    There are massive differences between the Pioneer and the Panasonic too, but I bet most people would not notice them until they had lived with a set for a while, and definitely not in a shop.
     
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    So you've lived with a Hitachi, Pioneer and a Panasonic for a while then ... your a very lucky person to have three plasmas !!

    Which one do you own exactly ??
     
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    I have spent loads of time with the Hitachi as a friend owns one, I have owned a Panny PW6, Pioneer 435XDE, NEC 42XM3 and now a Panny PHD6.

    You chose the 7200, that is good for you, as long as you are happy with it that is all that matters, everyones buying decision is based on different things that are important.
    To me the design is only a bonus, a motorised stand I don't need, only being able to get to the DVD input by having to push a button twice doesn't keep me awake at night with worry and a comprehensive settings and menu is only needed if the image is not right to start with.

    If you think the Hitachi picture is as good as The panny and the Pioneer that is great mate, you have saved yourself a few quid.
    However the guy has £2800 to spend, and for that money you are getting into Panny PHD8 and scaler territory. I did say that he really should be looking at the panels, far better than the TVs (PV500 included).

    It is very obvious from your post that you are a little defensive about your purchase, I am sorry if I have upset you with my comments, I try really hard not to offend anyone, but when on a forum it is difficult because people obviously are going to own things that you sometimes don't think as the best.
    I, like everyone else on here, have an opinion based on what we have had experience of, I never slag a product off that doesn't deserve it, or that I haven't seen/used a fair bit of.
    The only time I will comment on something I haven't seen is if certain people, whos opinion I hold in high regard, have spoken with me about it, and then I will always say I haven't seen it.
     
  15. Serkie

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    Thanks for the opinions peeps, I appreciate people don't always agree but it's always good to get different views on products good and bad.

    Are the panels significantly better than the TV sets to warrant splashing out on a surround sound system etc to compliment the panel?
     
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    Not defensive ... I just get mad at generalist type statements that I originally quoted you on !!

    I think both the Panny & Pio are great sets .. I couldn't handle the Panny AV channel logic but there you go ... otherwise great sets.

    You dismissed the 7200 out of sight ... thats not right ... its also a great set .. and for me, the best choice all round. It won't be for some, maybe most .. but don't dismiss it out of hand .. doesn't do your crediblity any good as a source of advice.
     
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    I'm sorry but having to press an av button twice would not be on my list of annoyances.

    Still everyone is entitled to their opinions, thats what forums are about of course, so if someone likes it say as much, if it leaves you feeling cold, lets hear about that too :)

    Gospel comes in many forms and i choose mine wisely, from the right sources.

    The question was aimed at a budget of £2800, Gizlaroc was right, the 7200 is not on the list of must haves at that amount of money, if the budget was £1800 it still wouldn't be.
     
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    For a budget of nearly £3k I do dismiss it, yeah.

    I really don't care whether you find my advice credible or not, I just gave an opinion mate, I think you need to calm down a bit, you seem to be getting all worked up. We are only talking about display devices, it's just differences of opinion.
    I don't see why you seem to have turned it into a personal attack, all you had to do was come into the conversation and give your view on it, not start to have a pop at me.
    If you have something to say regarding the Hitachi that is great, that is what the forum is for, and that's what makes it so great. But if you are just going to have a dig, you can **** off, just grow up a bit. Maybe you are just having a bad day? Not an Aussie are you? ;)
     
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    have to agree with you m8, for that kind of budget it has to be either the panasonic 42pv500 or the pioneer. Not that impressed with the hitachi, but i know others seem to be quite happy with it, Its all down to personal preference at the end of the day
     
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    For £2800 that's definitely panel and scaler time. And if you'd consider owning a big screen and running it on 2 poxy speakers... words fail me! I would downgrade the plasma and get some decent sound if I were you, drop down to the PWD8 panel and spend £1200 on audio, that's what I'd do. If you can run to audio and the £2800, home cinema heaven is heading in your direction.
     
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    I actually agree with mjm2705 - yu completely generalised the Hitachi and dismissed it out of hand - but push forward the Panny PV500 and the Pioneer and then try and backtrack and say because you were talking about screens that would suit the 2,800 budget.

    All 3 would be pushed out of the price range then - especially the Panny and he should wait for the newer generation displays on the way (hence forgetting about the XDE and PV500)

    Personally I think the Pioneer is the best with the Hitachi a close second and the Panny coming up the rear (basically in my opinion the Panasonic is the ugliest of the 3 and with inferior inputs)

    .....and I own a Hitachi
     
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    I was actually pushing the HD panny panel, not the TV, I gave me opinion on the PV500 against the Pioneer and said it would be a tough call between them, but said he really should consider the PHD8.

    I would not want a PV500, an XDE or a 7200 when you can get a panel and scaler for the same price.

    Please re read what I put properly, and don't say I tried to back track.

    If you want a generalisation here you go, your Hitachi screen is a ****ing load of ****!
    If you can get it to look as good as the Panny HD panel then you are doing better than anyone else I know.

    So you think the Pioneer is the best followed by the Hitachi and then the PV500? Why?


    EDIT: Before you get too enraged with me, I am not saying your screen is a ****ing load of ****! I was saying that is a generalisation. But I am serious when I say if you can get it to look better than a Panny HD panel you are doing better than anyone else I know.
     
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    I'll agree with Max on the PV500 looks, and it's seriously unsuited to wall mounting, they look ridiculous. But I can only agree with Gizlaroc on the £2800 budget, a PHD8 and a scaler will kick the others out of the field. You also get the biggest advantage of a media box thrown in, a single cable connection. Maybe apart from the composite one you run for picture in picture of course!
     
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    My reasons are already quoted in my reply on why I prefer the Pioneer and the Panny, but I will leave this thread with the advice to the orginal poster and you:

    If you do indeed narrow your choices down between the following:

    Pioneer XDE
    Panny PV500
    Hitachi PD7200

    then search these forums:

    you will see an overwelming support for the Panny? - why? because most have bought them and are now defending them the hilt.....or to the point of generalising every other screen that competes with them

    then do another search and see which one is experiencing the most problems........Panny PV500

    Its personal taste at the end of the day, so have a look at them with your own eyes and consider your own tastes and then make your decision
     

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