Height-aware SatNav - France

imightbewrong

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We generally drive around fine with Waze or Google navigation. However neither seem aware of height restrictions. If we put a roof box on the bus we go over two meters which rules us out of some bridges / tunnels. There are quite a few on the major roads around Paris for example.

Does anyone use or know of any way of navigating with low bridge awareness with these or any other apps. Particularly on the mainland?

Thanks!
 

IronGiant

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I use the standard Sygic on my phone as our Sat Nav and they have this sister app:

Trucks

with this option:

Caravan
Europe

  • Routing with restrictions for oversize RV and trailers
 

IronGiant

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It does seem very expensive compared with the standard app with lifetime maps though... :(
 

mjn

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Take the roofbox off and tow a trailer instead?
 

imightbewrong

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I use the standard Sygic on my phone as our Sat Nav and they have this sister app:

Trucks

with this option:

Caravan
Europe

  • Routing with restrictions for oversize RV and trailers
Thanks - looks interesting - £80 for three years isn't too bad. Sygic was the satnav app I bought back in the day, before the free stuff came along. Certainly seems to do the job - of course assuming their data is good!
 

imightbewrong

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Take the roofbox off and tow a trailer instead?
Thanks but this doesn't sound better than throwing some money at a satnav.
 

IronGiant

Moderator
Thanks - looks interesting - £80 for three years isn't too bad. Sygic was the satnav app I bought back in the day, before the free stuff came along. Certainly seems to do the job - of course assuming their data is good!
I think the backbone is based on TomTom mapping.
 

Mister_Tad

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My folks have an enormous RV and a Garmin something-or-other that's specific to truck/RV use - you can program height, weight, axles etc and it will plan routes accordingly.

I'm not sure the model number, but then they're in the US so it's probably not useful anyway. Worth having a look to Garmin though, as I assume they would do specific models here too.
 

mjn

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Thanks but this doesn't sound better than throwing some money at a satnav.
You’d get more in a trailer, better weight allowance. Obviously more expense.
 

imightbewrong

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You’d get more in a trailer, better weight allowance. Obviously more expense.
Would stick on a second roof box if we needed more space. Would be tricky to store also. May mean a different bike carrier as well. Yes would be looking at quite a bit of expense as we have no towbar.
 
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IronGiant

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I'm not sure what crossing you are using, but you will probably be charged extra for a trailer. On the other hand there may also be a height limit. I don't know if they charge extra but you have to let EuroTunnel know if your vehicle is over 1.85m tall so they can put you in a taller carriage (if they don't already for your bus :))
 

IronGiant

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I took a quick look at the Eurotunnel site for Sunday and an over height vehicle doesn't cost any more than one under 1.85m, but towing a trailer adds between £122 and £273 extra depending on whether you go for the lowest fare or the Flexipass ticket (that's for a one way trip). The cheapest return ticket was £196 for a car and £440 for a car plus trailer :eek:.
 
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AMc

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Navmii (was NavFree) has vehicle options under route options for Car/Bicycle/RV/Lorry/Transport truck/Delivery truck. I imagine that takes care of height and weight restrictions.
Mapping is offline so you don't need data connections (though thanks to the EU that's less of an issue these days).
First time we went to France and Belgium I installed the local versions as separate apps.
Next time we did France and Spain and I installed the paid maps into the UK version for full long distance route planning.
Last time I used it all over France.

Looks like the EU maps are now a free upgrade too :thumbsup:

Try it on a local route you know with a low bridge to see how it works, then a French route you're considering and expect to be trouble.
 

imightbewrong

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I took a quick look at the Eurotunnel site for Sunday and an over height vehicle doesn't cost any more than one under 1.85m, but towing a trailer adds between £122 and £273 extra depending on whether you go for the lowest fare or the Flexipass ticket (that's for a one way trip). The cheapest return ticket was £196 for a car and £440 for a car plus trailer :eek:.
We are 2m high + roofbox - from memory we don't pay extra but we do have to go in the single-story high carriages with the coaches.
 
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IronGiant

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That's what I just found out :) and that it costs more than twice as much if you have a trailer :censored:
 

Dony

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I used to work in France and got a call one day from my boss asking me to go to Lille train station and 'rescue' his car. He had to abandon it while he ran for his train.
When I got there, he had managed to wedge his Renault Espace in the entrance of the car park as he'd forgotten about the roof box on it, blocking one of the main car park entrances.

By the time I had got there with the spare keys (he took the originals when he ran for his train), there was about 30 very irate French people. In my best broken French I tried to explain that it wasn't my car blah blah but they were having none of it. It was only when I shouted in English that 'it's not my fudgeing car' that they seemed to get the message!
 

Dony

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Top tip if this ever happens....don't let a mob of Frenchmen try to push your vehicle and cause more damage, simply let down the tyres and get the mob to push you out.


(they thought I was a genius :D)
 

nvingo

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I worked at one factory/warehouse; loaded curtainsider lorry reversed in the doorway, forklift unloaded about 20x1tonne pallets. Lorry went to pull out, trailer was too high for the doorway!
had to slip it down the fifth wheel and use a straps to pull it.
if you let down tyres make sure you have the means to reinflate them ;)
 

imightbewrong

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Navmii (was NavFree) has vehicle options under route options for Car/Bicycle/RV/Lorry/Transport truck/Delivery truck. I imagine that takes care of height and weight restrictions.
Mapping is offline so you don't need data connections (though thanks to the EU that's less of an issue these days).
First time we went to France and Belgium I installed the local versions as separate apps.
Next time we did France and Spain and I installed the paid maps into the UK version for full long distance route planning.
Last time I used it all over France.

Looks like the EU maps are now a free upgrade too :thumbsup:

Try it on a local route you know with a low bridge to see how it works, then a French route you're considering and expect to be trouble.
I had a look at this - you can pick 'RV' as a vehicle type. Can't see any bridge heights on the map - not sure how to work out if they actually have bridge data. The only low bridges I actually know are the ones in Paris, but really struggling to find any info of their existance at all anywhere :(
 

nvingo

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Main road bridges on the continent are lower than the UK hence their articulated lorries aren't as tall, as I was told by a British driver who'd had close calls with his vehicles over there.
But I can't imagine a car/SUV + roofbox would come close; save for on non-HGV country lanes.
Measure it unladen, in metric. That should give you a margin when holiday luggage and passengers are aboard.
 

imightbewrong

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Main road bridges on the continent are lower than the UK hence their articulated lorries aren't as tall, as I was told by a British driver who'd had close calls with his vehicles over there.
But I can't imagine a car/SUV + roofbox would come close; save for on non-HGV country lanes.
Measure it unladen, in metric. That should give you a margin when holiday luggage and passengers are aboard.
There are definitely two meter clearence tunnels on the outskirts of Paris, with lots of warnings - we are two meters without the roofbox. Have never tried driving up to the entrance I admit, we take the last exit :)
 

nvingo

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^^ Ah OK.
There's a opportunity for someone to market a roofbox that can be mounted on wheels and towed; or a trailer that can have its wheels removed and be attached to the roof ;)
 

imightbewrong

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Ah ha - this is one of them (or maybe the only one?): https://tunnels.piarc.org/en/system/files/media/file/appendix_2.08_-_france_-_paris_-_duplex_a86.pdf

The total tunnel length is thus about 10.1 km, making it the longest road tunnel located entirely on French Territory.

The Duplex Tunnel is a single tube comprising two independent decks (or traffic levels), with unidirectional traffic on each level (two lanes in each direction). It is reserved exclusively for light vehicles with a height of 2m or less and with a laden weight of 3.5 tons or less. Vehicles over 2m high are prohibited.

 

AMc

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I had a look at this - you can pick 'RV' as a vehicle type. Can't see any bridge heights on the map - not sure how to work out if they actually have bridge data. The only low bridges I actually know are the ones in Paris, but really struggling to find any info of their existance at all anywhere :(
The mapping data used to be from an Open Source project - though they seem a bit more opaque on the subject these days.
I can't see any bridge height data on my local maps and when I switch to RV mode and deliberately pick a route involving a low bridge ... or any route it just says "calculating route".
My phone and app are upto date, looks like it's broken on iOS :(
 

mjn

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I took a quick look at the Eurotunnel site for Sunday and an over height vehicle doesn't cost any more than one under 1.85m, but towing a trailer adds between £122 and £273 extra depending on whether you go for the lowest fare or the Flexipass ticket (that's for a one way trip). The cheapest return ticket was £196 for a car and £440 for a car plus trailer :eek:.
I always book as a “high vehicle” (even though my car is about 1.5m) as you get more width on the single deck trains.
 

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