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Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD Players & Recorders' started by giggio26, Jun 29, 2004.

  1. giggio26

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    I'm looking for a hdtv player (720p-1080i) through vga or component.Now I've got a pioneer 668 connected with an epson tw200 which goes only at 576p.do you think I should remain with my pioneer?Or using a dvd player at 720p there is an increase in quality?
     
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    There is no such thing as an HDTV player! Some current DVD players can scale the image from a standard DVD upwards to higher resolutions, but this is only performing the same function as the display would do anyway, assuming you have a higher resolution display. And if the player cannot scale to the native rate of your display (both vertically AND horizontally) it is certain that the display's scaler would have to stay in circuit, so you would have concatenated (i.e stacked) scalers which is a bad thing.

    Furthermore it is illegal to output 720p or 1080i from the analogue video connections of consumer DVD players; only an HDCP protected DVI or HDMI output is allowed and of course you need a compatible HDCP display to receive this signal from copy protected DVDs (i.e. nearly all DVDs). There are one or two far eastern sourced players "flying under the radar" here but as far as I have seen their analogue "HD" outputs are severely compromised in terms of frequency response etc. And you will be lucky to find anything with a VGA output - that too is illegal on consumer players.

    I hope this helps clear up the confusion - there is a lot of nonsense going on out there about this kind of thing.

    Buy the best conventional DVD player you can afford, use good 75 ohm video cables and you are done :)

    John Dawson (Arcam)
     
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    John, If you were buying a DVD player below £300 which one would you choose?
    I have had some of the Harman Kardon's recomended to me but call me superficial but I hate the looks of their range.
     
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    Sorry Captain Danger, I can't give such purchasing advice for obvious conflict of interest reasons. However I can say that, if you can stretch your budget, there are a few discontinued Arcam models out there at around £500 or so and you may even get easy terms if you are a good negotiator :)

    John Dawson (Arcam)
     
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    Bravo 1 and 2dvi hd (480p/720p/1080i etc)resolutions
    Momitsu V880 dvi/component hd resolutions
    Brainwave V880 (european version of Momitsu with scart)(480p/720p/1080i etc)
    Momitsu V880N(480p/720p/1080i etc) network/wifi
    Samsung HD941 and 935 dvi hd(480p/720p/1080i etc) resolutions
    Skyworth HVD3050 vga input hd(480p/720p/1080i etc) resolutions
    Shinco EVD 830(480p/720p/1080i etc)

    All these players upconverts the standard signal to 720p and 1080i/p, and customs resolutions ( Momitsu) . Some through vga, dvi and component inputs.

    i guess no one is going to china to prosecute them.
     
  8. giggio26

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    So do you think is better my pio 668 at 576p than a skywoth at 720p?(both using component)
     
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    giggio26,

    I short you are limited to 576p as long as you insist of using (inferior) consumer grade players.

    The only way to get HTDV signal out is to move to 21st century and use HTPC. They are the best quality, reasonably priced players available today. Use anythinng else and, as explained in the earlier post, you are hostage to restrictive licensing that cripples even the most advanced players.
     
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    No idea what on earth Branx is on about here.......As has already been stated by John Dawson....what is on the disc is Standard Definition........it doesn't matter whether you use an HTPC (inferior or otherwise) or a consumer DVD player (inferior or otherwise) or an external video processor (inferior or otherwise)....you still only get de-interlaced and upscaled SD material output at higher resolutions and or refresh rates. This is not the same as actual HD encoded resolution material. The best method to upscale the DVD is of course dependant on the display device and the external processors or players in question.

    I have not seen current Skyworths in a while but the one we had at Event 1 all those years ago was soft and not that great to look at apart from decent de-interlacing.

    Oh and Branx likes HTPC's in case you didn't notice....although it's doubtful you'll be able to make a decent one for the price of either DVD player......

    Gordon
     
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    Hi Guys.

    I'm facing a similar choice. I've just bought a Hitachi 42PD5200 and I'd like to take adavantage of the high resolutions & DVI (or VGA?) ports.

    There's one model missing (I think!) from Ninjaman's list - the Yamakawa 365.

    So out of all those models, which would you recommend? The DivX playback would be nice, but it's not essential. What I want is a player that will make all my DVDs, which are a mix of regions but are all genuine, look there best for under £200.

    What do you think?

    d.
     
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    I think the members are referring to a batch of WMVHD - 9 IMAX Titles Released Today.

    Those are Windows Media HD encoded without region restriction.

    Other alternative HD material that would be legally available in the UK are members satellite recordings from Euro1080, and any other HD programming that would be recorded onto a DVD media..

    The only player currently capable of handling this type of material and is future proof, is HTPC! The fact the HTPC would do scaling and many other things come as bonus (this needs to be offset by its complexity and instability).

    If members want HD capability now this is the only route, no point of telling them it is not possible, etc…
     
  13. Gordon @ Convergent AV

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    Actually Branx I'm pretty sure he was talking about standard DVD discs and how to get best out of them.

    Gordon
     
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    giggio26, the question you should be asking is "Which player has a better scaler than my Epson?" and if the answer is "none for this price range" then you ask "Which player can carry a decent enough signal to my Epson, so that it can do the rest?" Unfortunately, I have no answers for the first question, but if your projector has a DVI input, however, an HDMI-DVI connection with the 668 is a good bet, I think.

    As for Ninjaman's list, I have only heared about the Samsung 935 (not very kind words) and the Yamakawa, which is highly praised here in Greece.
     
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    Unfortunally my epson tw200 has only vga and component input.
    Yes I was talking about standard DVD discs and how to get best out of them.My pioneer goes only at 576p.So I'd like to know from you if there is an increase in quality scaling at 720p with another player or with htpc.
     
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    giggio26,

    Sorry for missunderstanding your question and thanks to Gordon for putting me straight.

    Looking at your problem from standard DVD perspective, probably the best results you'll have is to feed the video via VGA. Again, an HTPC would be most convenient choice. The best result would be to configure PC video card to output the signal in the exact native resolution of the projector panel (so that projector's internal scalling is completelly bypassed).

    There are probably scallers that can do the same ar the similar job and the final decission would depent on the price, quality and the overall functionally.

    My vote would be for HTPC on all three counts.
     
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    Exscuse me Ninjaman,

    Bravo is American
    Momitsu is Taiwanese
    Samsung is South Korean
    Shinco's EVD is a total legit hd dvd system

    So don't come with the crap of "I guess no one is going to China to prosecute them"

    Wasabi
     
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    Thanks for the correction.

    I post of review of my momitsu when it arrives.
     
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    Your welcome Ninjaman,

    Sorry, for my harch outburst, I just felt that in this particular issue, China is not the baddie here.

    Wasabi
     
  20. Ninjaman

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    :D
    Thats ok.

    I have tracked my momitsu V880 it arrived in the uk yesterday and its with customs. I will get stung. no doubt. :mad:

    I really hope not.
     
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    Did you buy it from Momitsu directly? Or Hivizone in HK?

    Did you know that Brainwave (the clone) are really cheap now in Germany?

    Wasabi
     
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    Hey, I think that people making these players are actually the good guys! ;)
     
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    How does the upcoming Kiss dp-600 fit into this equation?

    Doesn't have dvi or hdmi output, but does have component output and is capable of outputting 1900x1080.

    Details here
     
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    Thank you guys for you replies.Now I ask you to list all dvd players with component or vga which go at 720p and to specify if 720p is through vga or component.thank you very much!
     
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    Do you think the momitsu would be better than my pioneer 668 in video performance?
     
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    From what i have read on this forum and www.avsforum.com so far the momitsu video performance will be far superior. However, i will test them my self and post in these forums.
     
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    "Originally Posted by Ninjaman
    http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-...ch&articles=118"

    I'm suprised at how many tests the Arcam DV79 failed, considering its price.
    John Dawson, are Arcam working on any fixes to the highlighted poor performance areas ?
     
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    Help me:Which player can play 720p through component or vga?(not scart,not dvi)
     
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    Does no one know the answer?
     
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    The Momitsu V880 will do both. ;)

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