jawilson59
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Can skyhd be upgraded via software / firmware to enable hdmi-cec?
Of course it records in standby. It also sends a signal over the HDMI output whilst doing so, so that you can monitor it. This is all exaclty as you'd want and expect. The point is that you can monitor it, but were your amp to be so stupid as to automatically switch to any input based solely on signal presence on that input, you would be forced to watch what you were recording, something that is hardly going to get the manufacturer any kudos!I totally disagree with this, SkyHD which is the only recording device i use, records in standby.
What annoys me is that a lot of pioneers uk customers will have Sky and its not compatable with their amp because of the way they have designed it! if they have put signal monitoring on just 2 or 3 of the hdmi inputs no one would have this problem !
Nitro626 said:The apple tv is a better option as it will do video as well as audio, pioneer air play is good but apple tv is better if you want to display your video's, pictures and you tube.
Nitro626 said:Apple tv 2 has an optical out or you can output on hdmi.
With the pioneer you could send either of those outputs to all zones together or separately
Mark.Yudkin said:You haven't heard wrong. An autistic source device that abjectly refuses to tell the Pioneer when it's active cannot be switched by an amp that needs to know if and when there is something to be switched. Although there are amps that will simply always switch exactly one source, the Pioneer is designed to switch to the currently active source.
Signal presence switching as you suggest would be an absolute disaster. It would mean that the amp would switch to a recording device when it started timed recording, as such as device obviously sends a signal across its HDMI outputs, if only to permit monitoring. But a programmed recorder is hardly something you'd want to consider active when you're watching something else! Fortunately, nobody actually implements such signal presence switching.
Perhaps we should be petitioning pioneer to make the appropriate firmware changes so it can work like the onkyo. Then it would b perfect as it has airplay which the onkyos dont without adding apple tv etc
An alternative specific / last channel routing comes at the heavy cost of preventing automatic switching of well-behaved sources. The HDMI Organization is trying to eliminate that option, requiring instead that source devices behave as per the specification. It really isn't Pioneer's fault that Sky build autistic sources - it is Sky you should be petitioning: Sky is at fault.The use of non-CEC Switches is deprecated. These do not interpret nor send CEC messages and cannot be switched by CEC messages. Non-CEC Switches stop the correct operation of many CEC Features including mandatory Features such as One Touch Play. They also prevent other CEC-compliant devices from operating correctly.
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A CEC Switch can be part of another device, such as a TV or audio amplifier with two or more HDMI inputs. Such a device shall provide its advertised functionality (eg TV or Audio System) in addition to its CEC Switch functionality. .... The power control for the Switch functionality should be separate from the power control for the other functionality so that the Switch can be active even when the main functionality is in Standby – see CEC 13.2.2 for more details.
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For CEC Switches, there is a requirement to react on <Active Source> and <Set Stream Path> messages. Both of these messages require the Switch to change to the source device according to the physical AV stream path indicated by the CEC message. These mechanisms allow a source device to configure the Switches between itself and the TV to ensure that its output is displayed, or for the TV to specifically receive the output from a given device.
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CEC 13.2.2 Feature Description
This feature is used to control the routing of the HDMI network, by controlling CEC Switches. In general whenever a device starts being streamed to the TV it shall send an <Active Source> message (see One-Touch Play in section CEC 13.1).
On receiving an <Active Source> message, CEC Switches between the device and the TV shall become active (if necessary) and switch (if required) to ensure that there is an active path from the device at the physical address specified to the TV. Devices which have other functionality and which also incorporate a CEC Switch, such as a amplifier with several HDMI inputs, need only bring the Switch part out of the Standby state as a response to the <Active Source> message, leaving the other functionality (eg amplifier) still in the Standby state.