HDMI or not to HDMI

smurf

Standard Member
First post, so apologises for my stupidity: -

I am considering buying a Pioneer PDP-434 plasma, Pioneer 868AVi DVD, Pioneer VSX AX5i + Kef KHT 5005 speaker system.

But am concerned with the following: -

- Comments made in the forum regarding the performance of the Pioneer PDP-434, doesn't seem to be the greatest thing since sliced bread in all circumstances.

- That the Plasma + DVD player only have HDMI picture, not true HDMI which is picture + sound.

Would you buy the above or wait for the true HDMI equiped systems to come out (hopefully later this year), I am concerned that such a large expenditure would be redundant within 6 months.

Thanks for any help. Smurf
 

emad

Banned for trading fraud
Smurf

I'll follow this thread with much interest as this is exactly the kit I am buying - except I'm getting the 504 (have it on order). I already have the 5005 and looking to order the AX5 and 868 in the near future.

Regards

Emad
 
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Kraken

Guest
I'm finding it difficult to understand why you want the HDMI connector to carry audio to your plasma. Surely you'll use a digital connector (coax or optical) to your amp, and thus get the sounds from the amp and KEFs?
 

emad

Banned for trading fraud
Actually Kraken it is even better, with the 868 connected to the AX5 you'd use the i-Link for digital jitter-free sound.
 
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Kraken

Guest
Originally posted by emad
Actually Kraken it is even better, with the 868 connected to the AX5 you'd use the i-Link for digital jitter-free sound.

So even less need for audio-enabled HDMI then, at least with this proposed setup.
 

Brogan

Novice Member
Not sure where you're getting your info' from but HDMI from an 868 to a 504 does carry both video and audio.
 

NonPayingMember

Previously Liam @ Prog AV
To clarify - the audio transmitted via HDMI at the mo is 2-channel only, V2 HDMI will carry 6 channel audio. However, in this context it it irrelevant since the plasma only has two speakers (if added at all) and the AMP gets its signal from iLink connection...
 
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joys_R_us

Guest
Chips for second generation HDMI are alrady announced and should hit the stores during the year. Still didn't feel a need for waiting though.

Think about buying the AX5 again though. It has a fan and together with the fan in the media box of 434 the humming might KILL your nerves during silent film scenes or listening to music.

I cancelled my order for Pio VSX-C501 and bought a Denon 1804 instead sacrificing a lot of handling comfort via remotes and SR+

All Pio engineers must be deaf. Why not install fans which only run when really needed ?
 

emad

Banned for trading fraud
joys_R_us

Is the 434 fan really that loud!! I have sensitive ears and a 504 on order!

Emad
 

Brogan

Novice Member
I have a 504 and an AX5 and I've never noticed either fan when using the kit.

In fact, I didn't even realise the AX5 had a fan until I shut everything off one night and just before I switched the amp off I turned the volume right down using the front panel control and heard a very faint whisper.

The fan in my Sky+ box is far worse than all the other fans put together.
 
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joys_R_us

Guest
I am also very sensitive and am thinking about buying a closed cabinet for the media box. It is not very bad but it sucks.

@ Brogan: I would have expected better hearing ability from a "rat" ( :mad: Sorry see the pic). Re. Ax5 I have to admit that I never heard it but do not want to try, really. So have to live with the Denon. (no fan, thank you)
 

Brogan

Novice Member
Originally posted by joys_R_us
Re. Ax5 I have to admit that I never heard it but do not want to try, really. So have to live with the Denon. (no fan, thank you)
So you advised against buying an AX5 due to the fan noise without actually having any experience of how loud it is?

BTW, it's a hamster....Hammy the hamster to be precise :D
 
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Billilu

Guest
It's no rat, it's hamster. Are you sure it's not called Basil?

I must have very sensitive ears, as I've never noticed any noise from the media box, which I keep in a vertical position behind the screen. Mind you, I got it swapped at last today, so maybe I'll start noticing it from now on.
 

Messiah

Well-known Member
Nope, no fan noise from mine either (504HDE). Or at least never hear it - and believe me I am sensitive to this stuff, as you will know if you've followed my projector exploits :)
 
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joys_R_us

Guest
Can you guys tell me if the fan in your media boxes is always on ? (I read that the boxes in USA are different with fans only running from time to time)

Mine is always running and believe me I hear it :suicide:
 

Ultra2man

Well-known Member
My fan is always on. at power on the fan momentarily swithes on at a low speed then fires up at full speed. It is very noisy as I can hear it quite clearly sitting about 11 feet away.
Pioneer are coming round to replace it soon so I will see if a new media reciever is any better. Just hope I don't loose all my pic settings but I think its the display that holds those and not the media box. Maybe someone can correct me if i'm wrong.
 
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Billilu

Guest
I can. You're wrong. I had to do all mine again today once the new media box was installed. I'd suggest writing them all down before it's too late.
 

emad

Banned for trading fraud
Ok, diferrent views here suggest that we all have different tolerance to fan noise, so for anyone with sensitive hearing -like myself- it would be best putting the media box away from you (at least 15 feet). I believe this will not affect your viewing as the screen itself has the IR sensor and not the box.

Emad
 

wiped

Standard Member
When i got my mediabox replaced i noticed that the fan nise is much lower.
However (i'v enot figured it out completley yet) it seams like the fan speeds up after a specific on-time, about 3 hours....
I've put some filter material(kind of the one you use for fans in a computer) at the back of the mediabox to minimize the noise and it works great...

Regarding sensitivit for noise, for me the screen buzzing is more irritating and i'm awaiting a replacement screen for that.

And regarding the AX5 noise... I've NEVER heard it, i don't even thing the fan is on by default, perhaps if yo have it on for a long time it will be on.. Or it could be that it's virtually silent...
Even if you try you Cannot hear the noise even if you listen very close to the fan.. And as i said i'm very sensitive for noise.
 

mikemccon

Standard Member
Totally agree with WIPED regarding the AX5i fan.

The fan in my unit is not permanently on and is probably temperature activated. I imagine it only switches on when the built-in heatsinks are failing to dissipate the heat sufficiently.

Think I'll get this confirmed by Pioneer though as I'm now a touch paranoid that the fan may be faulty !!!!!!
 

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