'Not at the moment' is the correct answer. They have console development cycles in place that last for a few years. Look it up and research. Several complex elements are painstakingly put together by teams of experts who put in place long-term planning for such devices. Sony does not need to tell us that they are planning anything, for us to be aboe to think about it, based on previous launches and release cycles.Are Sony and Microsoft planning on launching new games consoles or platforms in the next 5 to 7 years? No
Had you written the same comment in 2014, you would have said that PS5 was never a planned thing. And you would be correct. It was not a thing at that point of time because it was not even conceived in their minds. Available tech back then did not allow planning for it. They could not plan for PS5 as AMD did not start working on Zen processors and RDNA graphics. If you look at historical console launches and use imagination to see patterns, your judgement would be more free from current moment or annoucements by companies.
You have no idea what those companies are planning to do. Neither do I. Sometimes those companies do not know either and take opportunities when they arise from elsewhere in PC industry. But saying blatantly 'no', as if you were an insider into their roadmap strategy or fortune teller, is nonsense, when you really do not know what's happening behind the curtain.
'Not at the moment on a mass scale' is the correct answer. We really do not know what's being brewed in laboratories, until we get some useful leaks via fortunate discussion groups. 12-bit mastering panels are already manufactured for professional purposes. Look it up. It is a matter of time when this tech makes a breakthrough into mainstream. The above long text in the post #19 does mention 12-bit TV panel by Hisense. It's already manufactured for commercial market and it was branded as early bird, early tech. Please read more carefully before posting incorrect info.Are the TV manufacturers or those making the panels likely to start manufacturing 12 bit panels or TVs? No.
You ask questions and give definitive answers. Perhaps you could try to find out something new with us and ask for information rather than giving incorrect answers? It's much appreciated if you are willing to change the mind-set when interacting in this thread and acknowledge that we also know quite a bit. You seem very knowledgeable. And so are we. This 'no' answer to 12-bit remind me of folks from HD era who were saying back then that 4K TV was a stupid fantasy and that nobody would ever need it. And now, 10 years later, we have influencers roaming across many threads trying to convince people to buy products working well with 4K TVs. The world has changed and proved HD zealots wrong. The same will happen again, considering tech cycles, innovation and even a roadmap by UHD Alliance. Have a look when you get a spare moment.
Yep. 8K disks might never see a day light, but then, who cares? If they do emerge, good, if they do not, it's not a tragedy. No one will cry over it. Digital content has exploded, taken over and devices are more capable of wider online throughput. This will, gradually, bring higher bit rates and quality of streamed content, far better than Netlfix currently offers. New efficient codecs are emerging too, such as AV1 and HEVC-266. AV1 is already in new GPUs. It looks good. It needs fine-tuning. So, things are going in the right direction, step by step.Is there ever likely to be an 8K disc based media? Extremely unlikely.
That's what we are hoping for in this decade - to finally get AV over IP. And not just to feed TVs, but also to feed AVRs and AV processors. But first 4K content, which several engineering groups are working on. There are hurdles to be dealt with for the mainstream. There is HDMI-orthodoxy to be dealt with too. Money needs to be invested in hardware and software. Future gen of TVs and AV devices will need to get rid off current pathetic Ethernet ports of 100 Mbps and slow WiFi chips and install faster ports; much faster. There is one new TV with WiFi 6 and SoC from MediaTek that supports better connectivity, so it's coming, in baby steps. Then adaptation and packaging of AV over IP solutions. It will take 5-7 years for initial adoption in high-end devices.Even if 8K content is made available, the chances are that it will be delivered via IP directly to the TV and will therefore not need HDMI to convey it from a source to said display.
There was a great discussion in another group about this solution being integrated within future gen of AVRs and AV processors. Fascinating stuff and possibilities for future consumers! Again, it's not happening now and no company has announced anything. Why would they? It's in experimental stage. We expect halo-reference products in CEC or Computex in 2-3 years. Sometimes companies pick up new ideas from consumers and groups. It's fluid. But, there are early birds on the ground. Thinking about AV over IP in AVRs is based on emerging solutions, such as Audio over IP, which will be rolled out to Trinnov AV processors this year in a package of Ravenna/AES67 standards. Actually, there is an article here on this solution.
News about the updates and improvements that AV processor designer Trinnov has planned for its Altitude platform in 2021
Audio over IP will allow us to stream live concert from another part of the globe, directly to our AVR's speakers, via subscription app. Your friend will be able to sing into microphone in Sydney and broadcast it to your AVR's speakers in LA (you can mute it, if you do not enjoy their voice). Fantastic opportunity! Audio over IP is the first baby step towards audio-video over IP in commercial deployment. It's currently in broadcasting, it's expensive and more complex. For the mainstream, R&D needs to be done to drive prices down and encourage AVR and AV processor makers to get onboard. TVs may kickstart first. IP-based content is an excellent way to deal with old fashioned HDMI-only approach. You are right. We would become free to use or not to use those HDMI ports. More options for everyone. Some legacy dongles and sources will still be linked, but IP will modernize delivery of AV content over Ethernet ports and WiFi, for years to come.
Picture this. Year 2026. Imagine Amazon Fire stick 4K with Ethernet plug instead of HDMI. Less processing and conversion in the stick itself, faster link. Imagine one high-end model of AVR or AV processor that has WiFi 7 (2024) user-replaceable module on board. This is a new concept of more modular AVR that does not become obsolete quickly when tech moves on and allows us users to replace some easy modules, like in PC. Now imagine modernised I/O:
- 4-in-2-out legacy HDMI 2.1 (or higher) ports managed by one or two chips
- 2-in-2-out usb-c high speed (80 Gbps) ports tunnelling DisplayPort data from source to display
- most importantly, 4 Ethernet ports for AV over IP (say 25 Gbps RJ45 - those are fully bidirectional and speeds can be aggregated via software for those who need it).
That's about 12-14 ports. Today's better AVRs or processors already host 10-11, so similar, but how much more diverse and versatile options. Your new Amazon Fire stick 4K would not be taking content from home WiFi, but directly from AVR's Ethernet port - much faster and more reliable. No more additional HDMI-LAN extender and conversion boxes. AVR de facto becomes a AV-computer hybrid with integrated IP Tx-Rx silicon. You need to put CPU with integrated graphics to deal with computations of IP data and conversion for HDMI or DP displays, which is what home PC does today. Isolate well AV pathways with high-quality PCB 12-14 layer boards. You can extend IP data from AVR to another room with simple Ethernet cable. No more HDMI conduits. You can hook AVR to Ethernet switch and do all sorts of things with data. In home theatre, you can feed content to AVR, live or in files, from any capable device over traditional cables, Ethernet cable or WiFi instead. You can skip Ethernet cables to feed any IP content from your home network to AVR's fast WiFi chip, to be displayed over cables or even sent wirelessly to any display you have at home (check out new wireless monitors). IP will bring possibilities and solutions that few people think about today. And yet, once it arrives and is adopted over several years, the whole world would simply embrace it, in the same way as we embraced HDMI in mid-2000.
Here is a small diagram of how future AVR could interact with IP AV content.