HDMI 1.3 AV Amps and 3D passthrough? Please post your experiences :)

Versions of HDMI lower than 1.4 lack the EDID information required for the interface to allow the conveyance of video formatted as sequential 3D. It has nothing to do with the resolution and is to do with the actual format used. Older HDMI interfaces do not recognise the 3D sequential video as being a legitimate video format.

No HDMI version 1.3 equipped AV receiver will passthrough sequential 3D. They will passthrough side by side 3D because side by side 3D is for all intense purposes no different to non 3D video as far as an AV amp's HDMI interface and its EDID are concerned. Side by side video is used for 3D TV broadcasts and games console 3D games while 3D Blu-ray uses the higher quality 3D sequential for 3D titles.

http://the3-dlife.com/2011/02/sequential-versus-side-by-side-3d-tv/

 

Ah yes, the dreaded EDID. That would explain it. Thanks for the clarification.

So in theory, the Z11's firmware could be updated to provide the correct EDID information so it could then handle 3D signals? It is firmware updatable, but can't see Yamaha pulling their finger out on that one:-(

 

I think there also differences between the hardware utilsed in the newer HDMI interfaces that would also prevent them from being able to be updated? For example, the Denon AVC-A1HDA requires an expensive hardware modification to facilitate sequential 3D support. I believe only a very few HDMI 1.3 receivers with a certain type of HDMI controller chipset can be made 3D compliant without hardware modification. Even the very first HDMI 1.4 HDMI equipped AV receivers needed firmware revisions in order to facilitate sequential 3D video support.

But as you suggest, there's actually no financial benefit gained by the manufacturers if they update their older hardware and they never advertised the older products as being 3D compatible so there's no legal requirement for them to update the older hardware.

 

3d works fine on my Onkyo tx-nr3007(v1.3) but only pass through not auto resolution.

 

I'm sorry, but that just isn't possible. What type of 3D signal are you passing through and what is the source?

 

DM800HD--HDMIv1.3---OnkyoTX-NR3007--Samsung40inch5series(no3d),i have a picture(side by side) and sound(AC-3), and I think that if I had a 3d tv then would be able to see a 3D image without any problems.test chanell sky3d.Post some pictures later on!

 

You can pass side by side formatted 3D video, but you cannot passthrough sequential 3D video as used for 3d Blu-ray titles. HDMI version 1.3 has no problem with side by side 3D as used for3D TV broadcasts and video games, but cannot passthrough sequential 3D video. Any and all AV receivers with an HDMI version 1.3 inteface can passthrough side by side formatted 3D video, but no HDMI version 1.3 equipped AV receiver can passthrough sequential 3D signals. A 3D ready device is one classed as being able to handle 3D sequential video.

 

Yes this old chestnut is still an annoying issue for me. I've got Avatar 3D, but I can only watch it in 3d mode if I use a toslink cable for audio (the panny bdt320 player only has one HDMI output arrgh!!!)

 

yep you need the next model up or a sony which is about £200

 

Hope someone can shed some light on this

My set up is:

Pioneer 507XD (love the display even tho no 1080P)
Pioneer VSX-AX4AVI (love the sound even tho no 1080P)
Sky HD via HDMI through amp (working fine)
PS3 via HDMI through amp (working fine)

A couple of weeks ago the PS3 stopped playing discs and I figured I'd get a dedicated Blu Ray player as that was all it got used for. Have tried the following:

Panasonic DMP-BD75SD (non 3d Blu Ray)
Toshiba BDX3300KB (3d player)
Pioneer BDP-150-K (3d player)
New HDMI leads

The amp will refuse to pass video through with all three players. With each one, the player start up screen will display for maybe 5-10 seconds and then go off, the HDMI light on the amp stays connected as if to say its handshook successfully but no picture, sound is output from the amp fine with all three.

I've gone through every setting I can find with all three and the few relating to HDMI on the amp but nothing, on the 3D players I've turned 3D off as I'm not trying to pass 3D.

I am aware I could use coaxial audio to the amp and direct HDMI to the TV but really wanted full hi def sound.

Will one of the splitters mentioned above help with this to split the HDMI to both the tv and amp?

Hoping someone can help with this as changing out a perfectly good TV and Amp for a DVD player is out of the question.

 

The only issue associated with not having a 3D capable receiver is the passing of sequential 3D video. A 3D player is simply a regular BD player that can also play 3D Blu-rays. Your player should function just as your PS3 did when not playing 3D content. Why would you need to split the signal, especially seeing as neither your display or your receiver are 3D capable?

If you're not getting a signal then there is something fundamentally wrong, either with how you've configured the equipment or because of a fault? If not getting a picture and your display is not 1080p capable then I'd suggest you configure the player to output only resolutions that both your AV receiver and display can handle.

 

This is what I thought, the amp should pass it through. Unpluged the PS3 and plugged in the blu ray player(s) into the vacant connections.

I've tried manually selecting every resolution setting available on the players and this makes no difference. (a little tedious when you have to keep swapping connections).

I was only looking at the option to split the signal as a last resort, if I cant get it to pass through the amp.

 

As long as the bluray players have been set to the the max or below resolution the tv can handle and you have the amp set to pass through the picture then thats all you need do and it should work.
Also have you got the players set to ycbcr 4:2:2.

 

Hi scottthehat, yes have tried manually setting literally every one of the resolutions settings manually as well as auto. At least with the pioneer player its default is 422, have also tried the other settings matching them on the TV at the same time.

This evening I also defaulted player/amp/tv back to defaults then tried again with various settings and still no joy.

After I couldn't get the first two players working I got the Pioneer, I think the next step is pio tech suport, at least I've got a full matching set so they cant pass it off on another supplier and should at least be able to give a reason why it doesn't work.

Anyway, thanks for the help guys, will post up a solution or reason if I ever find one.

 

Pioneer Tech and 2 pioneer repairers all suspect control board failure

Estimates of £200+ to repair something that will never pass 1080P or have more than 2 HDMI inputs

RIP