HDFury Vertex Review & Comments

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    1. Nov 8, 2018 at 10:03 AM
      Steve Withers, Nov 8, 2018
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    2. Nov 8, 2018 at 11:59 AM
      LAMitchell, Nov 8, 2018
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      Thanks for the feedback Steve. Its also worth noting that their technical support is excellent. I have the HDFury Ultra HD, which I used to get around the problem of my AV amp not supporting HDCP 2.2. They have helped me sort out my issues and also pointed out a new device they are planning to bring out soon which is a HDMI 10BaseT extender that will run 4k 10bit 60hz. The company are bending over backwards to fix a number of issues 4k has brought into the market.
       
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    3. Nov 8, 2018 at 1:03 PM
      Scotland11, Nov 8, 2018
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      @Steve Withers does a device like this add lag to the signal? Say for instance I wanted to use this to output my Xbox One S to 2 rooms, I'd be fine for watching UHD Blu-rays but would this affect lag in gaming?
       
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    4. Nov 8, 2018 at 1:08 PM
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      Good review.

      I bought the cheaper Linker to address the issue with HDR games on an OLED (injecting HDR instructions) and it’s made quite a phenomenal difference.

      Might upgrade to this as I can see the benefit of what this brings to my setup. Wouldn’t have known it could do what it did without this review - so thanks again
       
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    5. Nov 8, 2018 at 1:10 PM
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      Can I ask what issues you're referring to with HDR games on an OLED?
       
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    6. Nov 8, 2018 at 1:16 PM
      Joe Fernand, Nov 8, 2018
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      Scotland11 - we have a lot of Gamers who use the Vertex to play at 4K on a Primary Display plus capture at 1080p, 1080i or 720p.

      Joe
       
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    7. Nov 8, 2018 at 1:18 PM
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      There’s a whole thread on it on here somewhere (sorry, am on phone so can’t find it), but, effectively, consoles don’t provide the correct metadata regarding NIT mastering. The HD Fury Linker can correct that. Sounded like snake oil until I saw one in action. Look for the posters @BRAKKUS1 and @adbailey18 - they have taught me more than I can explain here
       
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    8. Nov 8, 2018 at 2:00 PM
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      Another 'fix' the HDF kit resolves is iPlayer HLG on SKY Italia for some Samsung owners - another of those very useful fix's which is only relevant to a limited number of owners.

      Joe
       
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    9. Nov 8, 2018 at 2:48 PM
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      Do you just mean HLG on Sky Italia or is iPlayer available via the Sky Italia system?
       
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    10. Nov 8, 2018 at 3:14 PM
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      No it doesn't and a lot of gamers use these devices for the various reasons already mentioned in this thread.
       
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    11. Nov 8, 2018 at 3:15 PM
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      HDfury provided an update for LLDV support on Vertex since a while now, it seems the below excerpt is incorrect or outdated:

      However, it currently doesn't support the second Dolby Vision mode created for Sony TVs. HDFury are working on a solution and hope to update the Vertex soon.
       
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    12. Nov 8, 2018 at 3:21 PM
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      I thought I was an AV enthusiast. Then I read this. Better hand my card in.
       
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    13. Nov 8, 2018 at 3:22 PM
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      Just had that confirmed by Ken, the review has been updated. Thanks.
       
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    14. Nov 8, 2018 at 4:22 PM
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      Dumb questions:

      1. Can this pass 2D stream from a native 3D MVC encode? I got some 3D Blu-rays with switching Aspect Ratio and the only way to watch on my OLED is by ripping into mkv

      2. Are there are controls to boost contrast, colour and brightness?
       
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    15. Nov 8, 2018 at 5:02 PM
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      Can this be used to fix the Oppo 203 tone mapping issue for projector use, which the player can't seem to fully master and, so far, no firmware update from Oppo has been forthcoming?
       
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    16. Nov 8, 2018 at 7:57 PM
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      You can use it to strip the HDR and output 4K Rec.2020 SDR instead, which is what a lot of projector owners use it for.
       
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    17. Nov 8, 2018 at 7:59 PM
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      I don't know the answer to the first question, hopefully someone else can help with that one, but in answer to your second question, there are no contrast, colour, or brightness controls on the Vertex.
       
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      They are coming up with an update for Xbox One X Dolby Vision too.
       
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      What exactly is the 3D problem you are trying to solve? It's not very clear. Loads of players can play back just the 2D portion, if that is what you are trying to do. Vertex can't process video that way from what I recall.

      If you have to do this from an HDMI output your best bet would probably be a used 3D capable Lumagen, which can output one or other eye with a 3D input.
       
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    21. Nov 8, 2018 at 11:03 PM
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      Does it accept their 3D for non-3D displays firmware, or is that only for the standard HDFury?
       
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      Can you convert an SDR signal to HDR?
       
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    23. Nov 9, 2018 at 7:30 AM
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      3D Blu-rays wont play on a non-3D TV even if I ask the player to convert to 2D. I have tried many things but it doesn't work.

      So the workaround is to use MakeMKV to rip the Blu-ray and playback the MKV file.

      If you are able to successfully playback Disney 3D Blu-rays on a 4K TV let me know.
       
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    24. Nov 9, 2018 at 8:55 AM
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      You can inject HDR metadata into an SDR signal, I do that to test HDR input lag on TVs. However in terms of actual video, SDR and HDR are two completely different standards. So you although you can inject HDR metadata into an SDR signal to make a display think it's receiving an HDR image, you can't simply turn SDR into HDR.
       
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      It doesn't seem to have a scart input. How am I going to convert my old VHS tapes to 4K HDR? ;)
       
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      But that's exactly what the HDFury-4X running the 3DFury firmware is supposed to do.
      HDFURY X4 | HDFury.com | Connect and Fix everything in HDMI
       
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      and most of the modern 4K TVs feature HDR mode to offer fake HDR out of non-HDR source. It appears to work fine on some contents but can be hit or miss depending upon the source material. :)
       
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    28. Nov 9, 2018 at 9:45 AM
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      My Samsung JS9500 doesn't like a 4k HDR output from my PC and Windows 10 switches to 1080p HDR instead. However, it can show 4k HDR content from my UHD player without issue. Both sources are switched through an Arcam AVR850.

      Would this device mean I could take the PC output and Windows would "see" a 4k HDR TV and therefore I could play HDR games at 4k?
       
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    29. Nov 9, 2018 at 9:58 AM
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      I know they do, but personally I wouldn't touch those modes with a barge pole.
       
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      Agree. For non-HDR, I prefer ISF Dark Room, Cinema and Technicolor. Don't go near the rest. :)
       
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