Pioneer defend the format they are backing...unsurprising. That said is he sure of his subject: BD-J has some significant advantages over HD DVD iHD which is fails to mention and he answers "don't know" to a question most of us could answer on here!Heres an interesting article from Andy Parson of the BDA.
Can you not let a pro/impartial BR thread go by without slating it?Rasczak said:Pioneer defend the format they are backing...unsurprising. That said is he sure of his subject: BD-J has some significant advantages over HD DVD iHD which is fails to mention and he answers "don't know" to a question most of us could answer on here!
The 'grand scheme of things', exactly what I'm looking at with PS3, BR manufactuers, stuidio support etc.............Rasczak said:Just pointing out where it fits in the grand scheme of things...right alongside the survey by Toshiba saying HD DVD would win the format war.
You may well be right. We will all be watching with great interest over the coming weeks/months.The 'grand scheme of things', exactly what I'm looking at with PS3, BR manufactuers, stuidio support etc.............
As stated in the interview, once the balls rolling BR's going to be hard to stop.
Like you I think both formats will survive and both will enjoy a level of success. Once the Q4 battle is over I would suspect that we will see things balance out more: HD DVD will get more studio support but BluRay players will start to close the gap cost wise and (hopefully) we'll see a dramatic upturn in quality from BD-Videos. And with an established mix of formats in the marketplace the next obvious step is dual format players.I can see both formats being a success, I just cannot see HD-DVD overcoming the industry support BR has
I agree in terms of space that it's not much of an arguement especially from their current 25GB position. HD-DVD could quite easily provide 2 disc sets as is done now and I doubt anyone would mind. If anything from a PQ point of view it's preferable to do that as the main feature can be encoded for a full disc.Angry the Clown said:It's actually not too bad an interview. The one gaping flaw in his argument which I am so utterly tired of hearing now was calling on HD DVD for some of its titles already hitting around 28gb capacity, failing to acknowledge that a key reason for this is because the extras have all to date been encoded as MPEG2 and that the format is only on the cusp of releasing the first titles mastered with later generation VC1 encoders that are able to deliver the same levels of quality but at far lower and more efficient bitrates then the titles already on sale (some of which were in fact prepped as long as six+ months ago). Taking into account that this aspect of VC1 encoding will improve further still in future, and that using advanced video codecs instead of MPEG2 for the encoding of special features will free up space even more, the argument that HD DVD is already nearly maxing out its space continues to be an utterly baseless accusation.
Well a good test is coming up: Warner are releasing the Harry Potter: The Goblet Of Fire later this year. As normal it will be presented in 2.35:1 widescreen and 1080p video but will also include both Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital-Plus 5.1 soundtracks. And space obviously isn't too much of an issue as there are plenty of extras too:However, I'm still unconvinced on the bandwidth issue... (sorry!) Many people are asking for TrueHD or DTS HD Master audio tracks and these can consume up to 18mbps (peak) which is a fair old dent out of a peak total bandwidth of 36mbps.
Everyone's talking about being able to squeeze stuff on whatever capacity suits, but I don't want to be squeezing stuff so early on. I want to be comfortable that people are concentrating on getting the absolute best picture you can get.
Among the extras are eight featurettes, additional scenes, a Harry Potter timeline and the film's theatrical trailer.
I agree. I think Kong might potentially be a challnge in November, it depends what else is on the disc. I have a theory we're looking at the first 2 disc HD DVD release there anyway, with the movie on one 30gb disc and the bulk of its extras coming on a second disc (might not need to be 30gb). Effectively they'd be whittling down the three disc DVD set to two discs, and delivering the movie uninterrupted on disc one. All speculaiton on my part however.I really want to see some of the 'difficult' films make a showing and see how they turn out.
Over here? I agree. As far as Blu Ray's European launch goes, it doesn't seem to be happening this side of Christmas. I suppose we'll know for certain at IFA, but they put themselves in a sticky position by not launching in Europe this year as the longer HD DVD is allowed to be promoted freely (regardless of whether the players sell immediately here or not) then the longer the name of HD DVD becomes cemented in the minds of the consumers.I don't see Q4 over here being that special, will we even see a BD player in Europe before Xmas (and a PS3 doesn't count, nor does an xBox 360 HD-DVD add-on) let alone any discs??
You can yes. Sony's F900, F950 and the Panavision Genesis HD cameras amongst others were built for such a purpose, and some other pro HD cameras offer such functionality too, as do some pro-consumer HDV cameras now. For concert performances however I'd imagine it might be more likely that they go with 50p or 60p though I can't think of an express reason why they'd consider having to do so… There's also the distinct possibility they might shoot a lot of concerts in 720p as well.Can you do 1080p/24 on video?
I would imagine that so long as a mass of compression anomalies were not present on an HD master in the first place, then certainly even a 480p VC1 encode of such material should better MPEG2 of the same resolution given one of the key benefits of advance video codecs is their greater ability to handle such challenging content. Concerts shot on video in the first place (both SD and HD) are going to have their fair share of anomalies inherent to the source that can not be removed. Those shot on film are in a better position if care is taken during the telecine process of creating an HD master. Plus the higher quality your source, the better and easier it is going to be to master even when down converting for HD and SD (like for instance, a film being down converted to HD from a 4k digital intermediate master would better than down converting the same material from a 2k digital intermediate). So really it will always boil down to how much work and money content providers want to put into any releases.Going back to Pulse, lets say we wanted to do an HD-DVD version that was still SD but included a full 24/96 lossless compressed (forget PCM) soundtrack. I think TrueHD will peak at up to 18Mbps, which leaves peaks of around 20Mbps for video. If you stuck with MPEG2, that only leaves just over double the current bandwidth and it's still SD. It was also split over two discs, so presumably it would fit on one HD-DVD. Would you have to re-encode in VC-1 or AVC to give yourself a chance of getting it artifact free in SD...?
Indeed... The alternative is of course one disc per country if they want full quality, but wouldn't that negate any replication cost advantage of HD-DVD for the studios?richard plumb said:Going to be messy in Europe too, where you will want multiple soundtracks.
It's peak, although I suspect that you could probably get close to it at a sustained rate.richard plumb said:Isn't it crazy that we're sitting here thinking 36Mb/s isn't enough? (although I guess its only 3.5x DVD max bitrate. BTW, is that 36MB/s sustainable, or peak?
I did wonder... 50/60p though would simply double the throughput requirement. That's quite a difference unless as you say it's shot at 720p.Angry the Clown said:You can yes. Sonys F900, F950 and the Panavision Genesis HD cameras amongst others were built for such a purpose, and some other pro HD cameras offer such functionality too, as do some pro-consumer HDV cameras now. For concert performances however Id imagine it might be more likely that they go with 50p or 60p though I cant think of an express reason why theyd consider having to do so Theres also the distinct possibility they might shoot a lot of concerts in 720p as well.
Indeed, although some of the old big names could probably justify it.Angry the Clown said:So really it will always boil down to how much work and money content providers want to put into any releases.
I'd forgotten about 16:9... I guess it's a cruel irony that concerts tend to be shot mainly in that ratio now.Angry the Clown said:Again the greater question really is what happens with challenging 1.78:1/1.85: feature content, with multiple DD+ tracks, a 24bit/48khzTrueHD track, and IME based special features. Is it possible on HD DVD if a studio wanted to do it? Even without IME features, is it still possible? The latter point I thing is the bigger cause for concern, because if a film and all its audio can at least be provided optimally, then there are other ways for users to access special features in a way that they wouldnt be eating into bandwidth which would be the trade off if it was a case where we could have challenging content, multiple DD+ tracks and a 24bit/48khz True HD track but couldnt have IME features on top of that. Both formats really pose trade offs in different areas and Ive long given up the belief we could achieve something near perfect with either . And of course we can theorise like this in the belief that one day every title released will have lossless audio, and Id be amazed if thats ever the case with either of these formats (that's rather why demanding more than one lossles track seems absurd when its difficult enough hoping that we'll get just the one done right in the first place).