HD sound through coaxial???????

Shin Akuma

Prominent Member
Is HD sound only possible by HDMI or one can have great sound of blue ray HD content through coaxial as well? if someone has tried coaxial connection on blueray player how much is the difference on sound quality compare to HDMI connection. thanks.
 

bohane

Established Member
you can only get the hd audio through hdmi or multi ch analogue in, the bandwith of optical and coaxial is restricted (1.5kbps???) os it can not handle the hd signals, but most players/recevers/processers extract the core from the dts-hdma and downmix to maximum bit rate dts so there should be an improvement there, but not as drastic as the differnce to standard dts to dts-hdma.

hope that makes sense lol

andy
 

Max N

Established Member
The new Samsung BD players will decode all the HD formats (Dolby Tru HD, and DTS HD MA and uncompressed LPCM) and re-encode them to maximum bitrate DTS for transmission over SPDIF.
The sound quality will be somewhere between DTS from a DVD player and full uncompressed/de-compressed HD via HDMI. My guess is it will be closer to the latter, because the bitrate is so high that you're not losing too much information in the compression process, but I don't know.
 

Shin Akuma

Prominent Member
thanks for the reply guys. So basicaly quality of sound of blueray is likely to be better even if it is connected through coaxial cable as compare to plain DVD sounds. right
 

bohane

Established Member
yes it does sound better, i have the samsung bdp1500 and before i had a hd compatible amp i found there to be a difference, but not as greater difference as the jump to full hd audio.

andy
 

Mark.Yudkin

Distinguished Member
1.5Mb/s. 1.5kb/s would sound awful - even the worst stereo MP3 is much more. Also leaving the Samsung's Dolby TrueHD -> dts copnversion aside, players do not downmix anything, they simply stream the core stream, which is by definition of (best) DVD quality and bandwidth.
 
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Ian_S

Distinguished Member
Many BD titles carry a Dolby Digital track of 640kbps, which is above and beyond the DVD spec which was limited to 448kbps, and often DVD titles would only use 384kbps. (The original Matrix DVD is only 384kbps DD)

Whilst some DVD's such as Pink Floyd's Pulse have a 640kbps DD track, it is out of spec and therefore not all DVD players will play it. ALL AV amplifiers though, to gain Dolby certification, have always had to support up to 640kbps.

With DTS, even on DVD, the max bitrate is 1509kbps, and there are some DVD titles (mainly music) that use the full bandwidth. Queen DVD's are especially good here. ;) However, most films that use DTS only use 768kbps as the full rate is too much to take out of the video bandwidth on DVD.

On Blu-ray, Dolby Digital on disc can go to the full 640kbps, and, with most DTS-HD titles being DTS-HD Master Audio, you get a full bitrate standard DTS core at 1509kbps as part of the package.

The nett result is that even if you still use coax or toslink to a decent older amplifier or processor, you may well notice big increases in sound quality over DVD even though you are still using normal DD/DTS. You are benefiting from, in many cases, an almost 2x increase in bandwidth for the legacy codecs which does make a difference.

It is not though HD audio, although full bitrate DTS can be very, very good, and 640kbps DD has significant gains on lower bandwidth tracks.
 

bohane

Established Member
1.5Mb/s. 1.5kb/s would sound awful - even the worst stereo MP3 is much more. Also leaving the Samsung's Dolby TrueHD -> dts copnversion aside, players do not downmix anything, they simply stream the core stream, which is by definition of (best) DVD quality and bandwidth.

my mistake, as you will notice i put a question mark besides as i was unsure ;)
 

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