Discussion in 'General TV Discussions Forum' started by oscarmadfish, Mar 7, 2006.
reason= lord of the rings
but knowing me a year down the line i will have bought both
there both a winner for me(i'm getting both )
Certainly the looser seems yet again to be the poor old buyer.
It makes no sense whatsoever, to the consumer, for these people to go down their separate routes, it's the old VHS Beetamax war all over again. Have they learned nothing ?
I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival of HD in any form, however I am reluctant to commit myself to any specific media from the get go. I suspect others might feel the same.
If many people decide to sit on the fence a while until this sorts itself out, or until universal players are readily available to the masses ( and for the masses read not spending more than 150 quid on a player !!! ) will it then mean that the take up of HD on disc will stall a little ?
Don't forget we're enthusiasts here and tend to jump on these bandwagons early, all cause we love a new piece of kit. The driving force behind anynew technology though is when it's taken up by the majority.
I agree. I would spend 500/600 quid on a HD player if it was the only format, but i'll spend nothing whilst there are 2 formats. It's clear that either one format will need to die or there will be a universal player available in the long term.
For me, the availbility of HD films on Telewest's teleport service kills off any enthusiasm for making an expensive bet on which HD format will win
Well lets hope it doesn't go the same way as DVD-A and SA-CD. Their biggest competitor being the humble CD.
With BD-ROM and HD-DVD their biggest competitor will be the humble DVD!
Don't think the masses will give up their DVDs too readily.
I agree. Weve all seen how good (nearly HD quality) properly scaled images can look from the current crop of high end DVD players, and if this high-end scaling technology can be reduced in cost and put into mid-range DVD players, HD may become a much harder sell to the mass public.
I agree with rooster-X cant see the general public going for either format - I think it will go the same way as SACD and DVDA - for enthisiasts only - until a new unified format takes the place of both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.
I am not interested in a dedicated player at the moment - will wait and see - I think I can live wiith the quality of DVD on my 32" HD screen. I am getting TVDrive so can watch some HD with that.
Keith Hurst - if you have a PC or MAC + Broadband then affordable HD is already here for lots of people.
HD is not defined or restricted to a pre recorded Optical Disc playback medium.
There are plenty of opportunities for getting HD into your Home (Theatre) and the longer HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc take to kill one another the quicker the market for streaming media will grow.
In my opinion, just avoid Sony's formats.
They're always doing their own thing, and it very rarely works out. From betamax, to mini disc, to blu ray.
I'll take VHS, MP3 and HD DVD thank you.
Can't agree more with this, however this is still in the realm of the enthuiast as far as I see it. Ensuring your PC is of a high enough qwuality to play them, setting up the correct codecs, making sure all your drivers are up to date etc...
For the masses they want drop and play, put the disc in and sit back and relax. It's why consoles take off as games machines as opposed to a PC, even though a properly configured PC would beat them all with a wet haddock.
I work in IT, I know my way around a PC better than most but not as well as some and even I decided to opt for a Pioneer 868 as opposed to building a HTPC. It was for convenience.
Drop a Networked Media Player onto the front end of your Home PC Network (preferably one that doubles up as a DVD player) and you have something far simpler to use and all it requires is your PC is on and has a large Hard-drive.
Just think of all those IT calls when the great unwashed move over to Streaming Media - you'll need to get your Friends and Neighbours to sign Service Agreements and have a Premium phone line at home
Unless sony's ps3 sells as well as the previous two, that will mean a lot of blu ray players in a lot of homes
If there was such a thing as a legal, reliable download or streaming service for HD movies in the UK I would be very interested in going this route myself. Unfortunately, and despite desperate google searching, I don't seem to be able to find any. I'm very interested but even on this forum there is no talk about how to achieve it or find it. What exactly are these opportunities?
I had a quick search on Google for Networked Media Players and they do look promising that much is true.
As Allan says above though where do you actually get this stuff legally ? Not searched Google as yet for these as my son's screaming for his dinner
Thanks for the info Joe.
The short answer is you don't, everyone who talks about watching hd films in the uk is downloading them illegaly. A legal means would no doubt be superior quality viewing but right now we take what we can get till someone arrives with proper content.
Hello Allan Probin and KH
As dan1979 says at present there is not much in the way of 'legal' HD content on-line if you want complete movies.
There is plenty of shorts and demo's from the various production houses and hardware vendors.
You can also play back the WMV9 discs in the majority of these players - either streamed or from the in-built DVD-Rom drive.
Some folk do have huge collections of HD material going by the size of storage devices and arrays they require when planning a system.
I believe there are at least Two on-line HD download stores about to go up in the US - not sure if they will restrict downloads to the US or not; possibly other folk are more up on this than me and can shed some light on when we can expect to see more on-line HD content.
PS And there does seem to be an inordinate amount of HD Porn available - we've been sent a few discs to 'Test' various players by interetsed parties; I guess the arrival of sub 10K HD camcorders and relatively affordable HD edit systems puts HD into the hands of many smaller Producers.
Why have just one HD player when you can have two for the price of one!
LG will apparently bring a combined Blu-Ray/HD-DVD player to the market this year http://www.dvd-recordable.org/Article2489.phtml
Beta was significantly better than Vhs, mp3 is an encoding format like ATRAC, Minidisc was up against cassette
Is it just me or do people seem to under estimate the power of the playstation?
If PS3 sells (and it will) then Blu ray will have the foothold in peoples homes. I might be wrong (remember sega) but from the demos etc. for the PS3, graphically it is going to be the best games console out there. That might just be enough to win the format war (if there is one).
I'm sure that I read graphically, it will be little different to the 360. The GPU's offer similar performance. But why will the PS3 automatically sell? It's going to be expensive, and in all probability you won't see it in the UK this year.
I'm still leaning towards HD-DVD, first to market, half the price and a significantly better list of launch titles. Sony may be launching Betamax MkII, technically superior but the public don't really give a monkeys when they save some cash and choose a format with the same picture quality.
I doubt many people who buy the machine will hook it up to a HDCP compatible Tv though?...unless sony decides to put on the box, Only for HDTV...many consumers are still unaware of this annd what HDTV is, isn't it about time someone publishes HDTV for dummies and gives it away free as a leaflet in all electronics and games and rental stores...
I think Blu Ray and HD DVD are really for the enthusiasts. Most people don't yet have HD screens, and I'd even go as far as to say that most people have not long moved from VHS to DVD.
The only people in a hurry to get Blu Ray or HD DVD will be the AV enthusiasts, and for them, I don't think a console would be a choice of hardware. I'm a bit of an enthusiast myself and I am looking forward to watching more HD content, be it via Sky HD, Blu Ray discs or HD DVD's.
However, when it's available, I wouldn't buy the HD DVD add on for the 360 or the PS3 to play Blu Ray discs, I'd definately go for a stand alone player.
I think it's nice that the 360 and PS3 will have the option, but I think at heart, they've got to remain games consoles. The HD DVD add on and Blu Ray drive will also be one of the first gen versions of the drives which will date quicker than a loaf of Hovis' best.
Lord of the Rings is distributed by New Line, part of Warner, which will release in both HD DVD and Blu-ray.
Only studio not releasing on Blu-ray is Universal.
Disney, Fox and Sony aren't releasing on HD DVD.
In content, Blu-ray is the clear winner.
I'll be going for HD-DVD unless there are some big changes, it's cheaper, it has the matrix and there is no region coding unlike Blu-ray which is going to have stringent region and anti piracy issues.
Plus I would'nt mind seeeing sony suck eggs to be honest.
I dont know why people complain about copetition in the HD format market. It will bring prices down which is a good thing Once combo drives are released by Samsung and LG the format will become irrelevent.
I remember the same people moaning about DVD-R and DVD+R and look how that turned out.
As far as legal services for HD material go, there are none in the uk at the moment. Illegal ones are of course available and have been for a few years now All the lord of the rings trilogy have been done in HD and I must say look rather stunning
The player is cheaper.
So does Blu-ray: http://www.ultimateavmag.com/features/106ces1/index1.html
Region coding is still under discussion both for HD DVD and Blu-ray. There were rumours of region coding being dropped, but we are still waiting for confirmation. Early titles will probably not have region coding.
Yes but the difference is about 25-30 movies and thats pretty significant. There is also the fact that HD-DVD discs are cheaper to produce so the potential is there for the movies to be cheaper too, but I wouldn't expect them to be much different.
Although sony are releaseing single layer 25GB recordable blu-ray discs next month at $30 a pop.
Toshiba confimed a day or two ago that there is no region coding on HD-DVD.
Its all speculation and guessing at the moment but I don't think its going to happen like that and for the following reasons:
DVD+/-r prices fell because people wanted to buy DVD writers after getting used to the CD-R revolution. No other reason.
DVD-R was mainly PC-orienatated, HD is main AV-orientated. They are 2 EXTREMLY different markets and there are a substantially less number of people in the AV market compared to the PC market.
IMO, I still think both formats will perish and in 5-10 years the real successor to DVD will be born.
Until then, we will have to see how things pan out.
< HD-DVD here though FWIW - I really dislike the extra crap Sony have added to BD.
Lord of the Rings? pah. The Matrix? ho hum.
20th Century Fox is a blu-ray supporter.
A certain saga that took place far, far away celebrates its 30th anniversary next year. All six movies are already available on DVD, so what would be a great way to commemorate the 30th anniversary of the biggest movie franchise of all time?
A High Definition 6 movie boxset exclusive to blu-ray, anyone? And, oh look, you can watch them on your PS3...
I can remember when DVD was released and Fox would'nt release there films on the format they stuck with Lazerdisk's. And after DVD had been out about 3 weeks Fox said they will release there movies on DVD. So I'll be buying HD-DVD as it is cheaper to produce than Blu-ray and the players seem to be more affordable. ie cheap Toshiba $499 cheap Samsung $1000 hum. As for Sony it seems like they don't even have a working prototype Blu-ray player.
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