Jamezinho
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Thought Hungary vetoed?
Hungary, Sweden and the Czech Republic have all agreed to it last I heard.
Thought Hungary vetoed?
I think they were taking it back home to agree it with their politicians...or soemthing like that.Thought Hungary vetoed?
It is not in the UK's interest to completely pull out. So if all that is required is a realignment (with some, few, powers coming back to the UK and some, few legislations being repatronated), then this should be done at a time when there are calmer seas...
People keep saying this, and I'm still naive as to why it is not in the UK's interest to pull out?
Genuine question, I'd really like to know because at the moment I've only heard the argument for why we should leave the EU and I don't have a clue about (inter)national economics
Blah blah isolated, blah blah blah standing alone, blah blah blah everyone else has agreed, blah blah blah a lonely figure, bah blah blah on the outside....
Waaaaahh!!!
People keep saying this, and I'm still naive as to why it is not in the UK's interest to pull out?
Genuine question, I'd really like to know because at the moment I've only heard the argument for why we should leave the EU and I don't have a clue about (inter)national economics
So, for Cameron and the Tories, the only thing that counts is the City and what they want.
I don't think he had a choice - or any intention of signing. If he had signed up, the euro-sceptics in his own party would have crucified him. He would have had to have had a referendum, and that would be a royal mess, and the end of the coalition. So it was preordained that he would say no in Brussels. And if that wasn't enough, he doesn't even approve of the treaty in the first place. So I don't think it was a very tough decision for him, or at all ballsy.I'm no fan of Cameron, but he's got some balls saying no to Germany and France.
I think the Germans are trying to construct a Europe that positions themselves as the controlling power. They clearly want a supra-state federal constitution that takes precedent over the autonomy of individual states.
This has some quite interesting parallels with the US moves towards Federal unity. That wasn't a particularly pleasant process.
I think the Germans are trying to construct a Europe that positions themselves as the controlling power. They clearly want a supra-state federal constitution that takes precedent over the autonomy of individual states.
This has some quite interesting parallels with the US moves towards Federal unity. That wasn't a particularly pleasant process.
not a bad idea imo,with an elected president.It could well be Germany would become the most dominant state but then they could certainly show us how to do a thing or two, like run things properly and efficiently.
Germany's not going to sell many BMWs and Mercs to their bankrupted neighbours ...
Might be a good idea if we all start learning german
I'm not against the euro or even further integration with EU (when coupled with transparency and representation) but the deal on the table was not one we should have accepted and have yet to hear a good reason why we should have.