Harman Kardon DVD 25 build quality

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  1. Jonny1973

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    I just received my new Harman Kardon DVD 25 DVD player today and I'm surprised at just how cheap and tacky it looks.

    It's black, very angular and plasticy. Almost 1980's looking. Not exactly what I expected from a player with an RRP of £450, although I paid £300. On my rack, it sticks out like a sore thumb against all the brushed aluminium.

    All the buttons on the front panel are a gold/silver colour but they are all plastic. Hmmmm....

    I guess HK thought screw the looks, we'll concentrate on the inside. My first impressions of the images are good.

    Both NTSC (525P) and PAL (625P) progressive look good and the contrast is much better than the Philips 963SA that I returned in February.
     
  2. nathan_silly

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    I don't like the black/silver finish either (much prefer the all-black style HK had a few years ago)

    I think the HK is free of the Chroma Bug, and supposed to have good picture quality.
     
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    Well ... the HK DVD25 has identical sort of looks to all the rest of HKs kit ... anyway did you not see a picture of it before you bought it?

    Anyway ... it's not so much "screw the looks" its more (IMO) lets build it so the Americans like the looks and screw the europeans who want pretty hifi / home cinema.
     
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    Can't always get a impression of build quality with a pic though SD, when a magazine reviewed the B&W DS6's no mention of plastic cab, and the pictures didn't show it either -so I would have guessed wood cabs.
     
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    Hi Johny,

    I returned a 963 too, probably for the same reasons, and although I quite liked the Toshiba 520, it too had an issue, and went back. :(

    So after looking at various DVD players, I've returned to htpc until something good comes along - the HK looks like it might fit the bill.

    What are you watching it on, and what do you think of the picture quality? Any issues of any sort, and what do the PAL/NTSC progressive scan modes look like?

    TIA

    Gary.
     
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    The Doggs wrote:


    Good point!


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    You can pick this player up for £250/£260... it's not therefore likely to be built like a tank and designed by Damien Hurst.

    Mind you, I thought it looked quite nice from the mag pictures I've seen, a bit of a breath of fresh air from all those 'brushed aluminium, mirrored front panel' monstrosities that seem to be en vogue.
     
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    Of course I saw a pic but it didn't look plasticy in the pic. There isn't much choice if you want NTSC and PAL progressive. You can count the number of NTSC/PAL progressive players on one hand. I needed a Progressive Scan player for my Panny AE100.

    I had a Philips 963SA in January but returned it because of the poor black level and the inability to adjust contrast and brightness levels.
     
  9. Jonny1973

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    Where???

    If its the power buy, the price has gone up. The price is now £285+£10 delivery and the guy has no stock until May.

    I paid £300 (free P&P) and got delivery with 3 working days of ordering.

    I paid £5 extra to have it for Easter.
     
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    That's kind of my point... that extra fiver had nothing to do with build or design costs.
     
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    Couldn't sell mine for £250 on here so went on ebay and only got £200 :mad:
     
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    Its not the pretiest but to me its how it sounds and video quaility at the end of the day. Which in my opinion, so far, is good
     
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    My 3 year old Samsung 807 looks nicer and doesn't not feel as flimsy. It was only £200. Build quality is not expensive.
     
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    You know yourself that that statement makes no sense at all.
     
  15. Gary Lightfoot

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    where can you get it for £260?

    Gary.
     
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    How does the PAL progressive look?

    When you hook it up to your pj, you select progressive and PAL output on the H/K; does half of the "n" in Harman/Kardon (rest picture) dissapear? Does the picture shift to the right inside the projected picture?

    I am extremely interested in finding out whether you are experiencing this or not. Both me and a friend has this problem with H/K 25 and PAL prog, and thus we are restricted to NTSC prog.

    How do you get NTSC 525p and PAL 625p?? :confused:
    NTSC and PAL are 480 lines and 576 lines respectively, whether they are interlaced (i) or progressive (p).
     
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    Maybe I am strange but I really like to look of the DVD25...... it does feel a bit light. The picture quality is superb but I get mixed results with the PAL prog scan.
     
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    the DVD 25 looks nice, but i didn't think the buttons were plastic :(
     
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    You can't. The guy who posted that had seen it as a Power Buy on DVD Forums. The price has now changed to £285+£10 delivery with delivery in May.

    I got mine from http://www.practicalhifi.co.uk/home...1&Brand=HARMAN KARDON&Parameter=SpecificBrand for £300 (free delivery) and received it within a couple of days of ordering.
     
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    Discovered last night that if I watch R1 DVDs as PAL60 rather than NTSC, the black level is greatly improved.

    PAL60 doesn't mess with the frame rates and appears just to alter the contrast. The picture is still 525P. You can change it to true PAL which is scaled up to 625P but the picture stutters as it drops frames.

    I returned a Philips 963SA because of its poor black level but there was no way to alter the output on that player.

    The pic is softer than a HCPC but that will be down to the poor scaler in the AE100.

    At the moment, I'm trying Prog Scan component versus S-Video & Pro-V (avoiding the AE100's internal scaler).When i've decided the winner, i'll post something here.
     
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    Hi Jonny.

    Having just my DV25 I too noticed that you can play NTSC as Pal but that as far as I have got.

    Interested in what tweaks there are are what you find best.

    I am running it with a TW100 using component in.
     
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    This player is piquing my interest!

    Any more problems relating to the PAL shift that was mentioned?

    So far any player that has looked good has either got issues or is faulty (I'm just Mr Unlucky..).

    Gary.
     
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    Bump.

    I find it hard to believe that there are so few members on this fourm that uses PAL prog out on the H/k dvd 25 combined with a pj.

    PLEASE comment if you use PAL prog out with a projector and experience NO problems with pic shift.
     
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    So far my experience with pal prog on the DV25 has been good
     
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    I was lucky enough to buy Common's HK DVD 25 - grin:
    Thanks Common I didn't know it was the same one till I saw your post on here.

    Anyway I use it for Pure PAL & NTSC Progressive with Sim2HT200DM Projector. Results are very Good indeed but still only marginally better than my Skyworth 1050P.

    The Sound however is noticable better than Skyworth - giving a true seamless 'envelope' of sound, Not just a movie sound track from 5 seperate speakers.

    Now the bad news - There is an issue with the Picture shifting on PAL Progressive. The HT200DM has an auto button which if pressed a couple of times will correct. Alternatively eject & Play & it should correct.

    A same price to pay for PAL progressive of that quality for £300

    DickyDavis:
     
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    Any one using pal progressive with a plasma, if so any lip sync issues?

    Thanks

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    I don't own many R2 PAL disks. I always buy Region 1.
     
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    I've had a quick look at PAL PS and the results looked very good. However, I don't own many R2 disks.
     
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    I'have been testing an hk25 with the PAL PS Hack and using as PS display a SONY hS10. My comments are: awesome, awesome image. I have 200 Zone2 DVDs and as many Zone1, and being impossible to compare all the bunch, I feel the image from PAL Dvds superior ,at least LOTR. I have seen both dvds Z1 and Z2 and I prefer the latter. If I choose the output in the hk25 as PAL 60 I get a lot better blacks. Why, I don't have a clue. Anyway great package!
     
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    You are the second person to mention Pal60 being better.

    Wonder why that is
     

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