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  1. TUBBST4R

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    I know that it has been said Halo 3 does not benefit from being installed to the HD and actually is worse for it.

    But I also heard there are other games that also are not worth installing as they suffer for it, I even heard mentioned that there is a website with a list of the offending games, does anyone know of this and what the site is?
     
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    Interesting, I thought it was just the dashboard that was useless, this confirms for me it's the whole NXE :thumbsdow
     
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    I disagree, for me the point of installing to hard drive isn't for performance reasons really, but to avoid wear and tear on the discs and disc drive, not to mention the reduction in noise.
     
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    how does a website listing the advantages of a new feaure on the nxe do that?
     
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    Yeah I agree for me its more about the drop in noise, I wasn't really expecting games to run any faster/better I'm just pleased I don't have to hear the hairdryer anymore!! :)
     
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    Agreed, Id rather wait an extra 5 seconds on loading and have my xbox last that little bit longer and quieter xbox, and running cooler.

    If your playing 30hours of halo a week thats, 30hours more hours of life left in your laser

    Remember also in the future games maybe optimised to run from the harddrive, when halo and that were created they was designed to run from the disc.
     
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    so, when u install the game to the HDD, u dont need the disc anymore?

    what about Piracy?!
     
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    You still need the disc as when you play the game it must be in the drive.
     
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    You still need the disk to start playing the game from the HDD
     
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    cheers :smashin:
     
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    I think the point is that problem shouldn't exist in the first place. The 360 is much nosier than the PS3 from my experience. Instead they should look at improving their hardware rather than make us use up disc space and pay for bigger HDD's.

    Advantages :rolleyes:. Sure some games run better/fatser, but others don't. Heck Halo even suggests you don't install the disk :rotfl:.

    Seems like they are solving their problems by forcing us to have game installs which are eating up our HDD space. Fine if you have an Elite, or maybe a 60Gb, not so great if you have a 20Gb, hence the extra cost. So they're basically making money when they should be spending money fixing the problem :nono:
     
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    No ones being forced to do anything, they have released a software update that offers an improvement to the user, quieter and in most cases quicker playing experience.

    Maybe they are working on a refined model that is more reliable, quieter but that won't help current owners as we already have our consoles anyway.

    I only have a little 20Gb drive but like the way Fallout plays off the HDD.

    My main gripe at present is the cost of the hard drives, no way I am paying £90 for 120Gb.
     
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    i've just built a new PC, and opted for the cheapest DVD/CD Writer/Re-Writer, was a Sony £15 job.

    that is still quiter than the xbox drive! no idea how they managed to get such a noisy drive!

    for £60 u can get a DVD Reader (which is what is basically in the xbox) which is VERY quiet.

    If microshaft had thought about it, they could have made it so u could put whatever drive u wanted in. shame really. oh, and the heat problem lol
     
  15. cas398

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    My point exactly. They offer us installs to solve problems that shouldn't exist. So if we want to0 solve these problems it's more expense for use, not them.

    'Most' games may be quicker, but you're looking at mere seconds on average. Fallout would be a good install considering how long most people play the game for, but not all games are like that.

    In my opinion the NXE is pointless. It's sorting out their problems not mine. Most of the noise comes from the fans anyway, so even with a game installed the console is STILL noisier than the PS3.
     
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    Fair enough, I don't think the NXE is pointless, my 360 is a hell of a lot quieter without the drive spinning. I like the new look and feel as well.

    Of course we all know the 360 is flawed, it's unreliable & too loud. But it still keeps it's appeal.
     
  17. cas398

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    Fair enough. I appreciate the fact that some people like the NXE.

    I was disappointed by the slow loading times for marketplace content and the friends blad. Then there's the themes, you can't even see much of them. On the PS3 you can download free themes from the internet and I think they look great. So easy to see the theme/wallapaper and still have all the options on there.

    Then of course there's the installs which I think are better on a console like the PS3 which HDD can be easily upgraded.

    I know you can upgrade the 360 HDD with a laptop drive but you're not supposed to.
     
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    What I've heard is anecdotal so could be wrong but the DVD noise is because the 360 drive spins faster than the PS3 drive, MS could slow it down but that would make games load slower and presumably would lead to the PS3 situation where games require an install to work at all.
     
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    Well I thought Blu-Ray had a slower read speed, or something like that.

    I don't have a problem with the drive particularly. The fan noise is the main problem. Even with no game inserted the fans are pretty noisy, much noisier than the PS3 running a disk from my tests.

    I bought a 360 thnking that I wouldn't have to install games to prolong the life of the laser or make the console run quiter, and I don't have a problem with them giving us the option to install games. £30 a year from millions of members is a lot of money. I'd like to have seen them put it to better use than the NXE.
     
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    i install to the hardrive becuse the dvd drive running is even louder than the xbox its self so a small reduaction in noise is great.

    also i buy all my games second hand and installing them allows me to test that any scratches on the discs dont affect the game running properly (otherwise it wouldnt be able to read the scratched part of the disc to install it)
     
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    Well I think its just a little premature to start complaining yet. The NXE was not only a facelift but a base that they could build more features into and apply updates quicker. If they do nothing in the next 6 months then you have every right to bitch about it though.

    I thought I would also add that if your fans on the 360 are louder than the DVD drive then your 360 is faulty.
     
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    This thread is a joke :nono: I'm not going to waste my time commenting on most of the ridiculous posts because its the same rubbish we have been reading ever since the 360 was released :boring: Yes it had a massive design flaw, but its pretty much been fixed, and the drive is real noisy because it spins 12 times faster than the PS3s. We have now been offered a way to lower the noise of the dvd drive and still people complain "because it shouldn't be noisy in the first place" :rolleyes: I know this is a discussion forum but my god, do we really need to keep going on and on and on about the same thing day in and day out??? This thread is also slowly moving into a 360 vs PS3 debate again and it really is childish, nothing is perfect and while the 360 is poor when it comes to reliability, its awsome for gaming. The PS3 on the other hand is a fantastic piece of hardware but **** poor for gaming :devil: Theres my childish PS3 vs 360 comment for the day :D
     
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    Hmm *has a quick scan of recently opened threads*

    Turns out, yes, yes we do need to keep going over the same threads. We're probably in some kind of time-lapse paradox here :D


    Hmm *has a quick scan of recently opened threads*

    Turns out, yes, yes we do need to keep going over the same threads. We're probably in some kind of time-lapse paradox here :D


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  24. cas398

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    Nah that's rubbish imo. We get an update and if it doesn't turn out well we should say "well let's wait for the next one" :rolleyes:. I don't believe that for a second, it's a poor excuse.

    I don't have a faulty Xbox. All Xbox fans are loud. The DVD drive does add extra noise but it's still stupidly noisly without a disc inserted. This goes the same for both Xbox I have had and every other Xbox I have come into contact with.
     
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    I hear next to nothing when playing a game from the hard drive so to say its stupidly noisy is ..... well .... stupid :D
    To be honest all i'm hearing is "I want, I want, I want and I want it to work perfect all the time" it starts to get boring after a while because it just sounds like a bunch of spoilt kids having a tantrum.

    As games consoles get more and more advanced and require more and more software to run the multiple tasks expected we are going to run into problems that can ONLY be tested in the real world, there is no way for Microsoft or Sony to test every possible scenario so if you dont like it stick to a SNES or something.
     
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    I have to agree that playing from hard drive makes next to no noise, ie. just the Xbox fans are going. That said, it's all personal opinion I guess, but I don't see that it's enough of a problem to complain about a fundamental fault with the hardware (jeez, even the PS3 fans get that "loud" after it's been on for half an hour).
     
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    Well good for you but that's my opinion. In my opinion the fans are stupidly noisy, and running a disc makes the thing sound like a hoover, another slight exaggeration you'll class as 'stupid'. If you're bored listening to such comments then don't reply to them, you can't dictate others opinions.

    Saying I should stick to a SNES is stupid. Thi sso called testing is what I'm doing, and I'm giving my opinion on it. So does that mean only people like yourself who thinks praising a console is the only way foward can play Xbox? No, so stop telling people what to do. You are no one to tell people what to buy and if you don't lik ethat then don't socialise with a gaming community.
     
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    [MOD COMMENT] Alright, we don't need to personalise this. Not saying anyone has, just asking everyone to remember we all have opinions, including thinking other people's opinions are wrong.
     
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    I'm not praising the 360 at all, hardware wise i think its pretty poor, its certainly not in the same league as the PS3 in terms of build quality. I didn't say you couldn't have an opinion either and nor did i say you you shouldn't voice it but do you not agree that it does start to get boring reading the same thing over and over again? Has it not been said a million times that the 360 sounds like a hoover when the drive is spinning? I just dont see the point in complaining about the same things over and over again, especially when it wont achieve anything. As for the SNES comment, i thought it made sense because as technology advances and consumers demand more, games consoles become highly complex and of course more faults are going to be present, it may not be an excuse but its a reality so if you want something tried and tested unfortunately you'll have to stick to something a little less advanced.
     
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    The 360 fans make no extra noise over my PS3 fans in my case and the other 5 or 6 consoles my friends have.
     
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