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Discussion in 'Digital TV & Video Players & Recorders' started by Flipper, Jan 6, 2004.

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  1. Flipper

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    I need to replace an old VCR, ideally with a hard disc recorder.
    I have freeview so am not interested in sky+. Tivo sounds good
    but I don't want subscriptions. I have seen the DVD-HDD combos such as Panasonic, Pioneer and Toshiba but I am not really interested in DVD recording either. I don't archive my VCR tapes and I don't have a camcorder.

    I just want a plain old HDD replacement for my VCR.
    (A box for my lounge - not a PC solution)

    Is there such a beast?
     
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    TIVO will work as a basic hard disc recorder without a subscibtion, but you miss out on an awful lot of convienience.

    Or you could buy it with lifetime subscibtion (no £10 per month to pay) for £350-£450.

    You can upgrade the size of the hard drive to anything you like, even upto 400GB.
     
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    not what you asked for, but:

    A Philips DVDR75 (£220 multiregion from Richer Sounds) with DVD+RW disks is more or less an exact replacement for a VCR with tapes (including tuner, timer etc). You get 2 hrs per disk at better than VCR quality; more at VCR quality. Of course it also plays CD's and commercial DVD's. If you have a firewire camcorder, you can make DVD's of your own movies to send to people.
     
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    PACE TWIN

    OR THE OTHER ONE (HUMAX???)
     
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    Flipper I also wanted just a HD recorder. I can't understand why nobody has brought one out. Now BIG disks are so cheap (160Gb about £60) they should be able to produce a box for well under £200.

    Dave
     
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    I agree Dave. I'm not interested in messing around with DVDs, that seems just as tedious as hunting for a VHS tape to tape on.
    Already got a freeview box so I don't really want to buy another.

    As you say, just a recorder with a nice big disc.
     
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    With Humax coming to the market place with their twin Martin's share's in Pace must be looking a little rocky :D :D :D
     
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    JVC do one so do acouple of other manufacturers but they are bundled with DVD players etc see www.pvruk.co.uk for the latest models
     
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    If you have to encode as well you need more hardware so either

    no contract Tivo - loads of money
    Pace Twin, Fusion DTTV HDD recorders £200 - £300

    So Tivo or Pace Twin - take your pick!!!!
     
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    It would appear to be capable of playing DVDs too. Not quite what we want!

    Dave
     
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    no one has yet built a HD only recorder unless you count Tivo, the bolt on additional features Like DVD players VHS players Freeveiw receivers etc if its for freeview use get a digital one likt the humax! use the other box somewhere else or have one to watch and one to record.
     
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    :lesson: Seen some reviews of the Humax - not particularly good, just get a Tivo or a Twin - don't mess about looking for other solutions, if you want record of a number of sources and PVR get a S/H Tivo, if you want a broadcast quality recorder for Freeview get the Twin!:lesson:
     
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    What reviews have you been reading?? the Humax gets best buy
    in What Video and TV! lovely little machine, 20 hours unlike the pace's
    paltry 10 and trick play to boot.
     
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    I want a HDD tv recorder that can record from non-digital signals ie. Analogue RF tuner or Scart or S-video input. Pace twin can only record DTT. I'm not sure about the Humax even though I have downloaded and read the users manual. I presume that TIVO can do what I need but I don't want to shell out over £200 for a box that is no longer supported by the manufacturer.
    I don't understand why this simple product does not seem to be available. Most VCRs sell for less than £100 these days. From my estimation it should actually cost less to manufacture a HDD recorder than a VCR - so why are we being screwed for new technology (it's like the video/audio cassette versus video/audio disc rip-off!!!). There is a big gap in the market as far as I can see. I'm not going to pay for funtionality that I don't want (eg. DVD recorder included with the HDD tv recorder) so I think I'm just going to have to build my own. How hard can this be?
    HDD £30, TV Tuner card £30, PSU £5, Box £5, Connectors £10, a bit of software (1 hour), and I'm in business.
    ...now to think of what to call it!
     
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    Tivo IS your answer. An un-subbed Tivo will allow recording of the five analogue channels, all for around £200.

    TIVO is supported.............. by TIVO.

    This simple product is TIVO!

    I suggest you try Tivo. If not satisfied - sell it on.


    I like your estimation of £100 - is the manufacturer not expected to make a profit?
    :confused:
     
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    The Humax won't allow recording and playback except of the same recording, the time keeps slipping - 10minutes a day or something.

    Sounds like S/W updates are needed
     
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    TiVo Inc do still support the UK TiVo boxes. Their customer service helpline is 08702 41 84 86 - so give them a call and ask them if you don't believe me! The TiVo CS operation is subcontracted to Sky here in the UK and manned by a few TiVo specialists who *amazingly for a helpline* actually know what they're talking about. They are pretty helpful too, and won't hang up on you if you tell them you've opened the box and put in a new HDD or a network card - unlike the Sky+ support! They will also swap a defective box for you for free if it's within a year of it first being registered (hence the premium on eBay for "unregistered" TiVos) - or £90 if it is out of warranty!

    Also, the guide data service is very profitable for TiVo (approx 20k users paying £10pm for the EPG plus another 10-20k who have prepaid £199 for a lifetime sub) and the data is continually being updated. New channels on all platforms (Sky, Freeview etc.) are added as they appear, and IR control support for new Freeview STBs is usually added within days of their appearing on the shelves.

    The fact that there is currently no UK hardware manufacturer (all TiVo boxes are manufactured by independent hardware companies, who just license the TiVo software from TiVo Inc.) is a shame - but not in any way an indication that TiVo has "pulled out" of the UK.

    So it was you that wrote the Sky+ software then... :devil:
     
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    not just the fact that manufacturers are not expected to make a profit but also surely they have to recover their R&D spend over the life of a product dont they??
     
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    And the retailer has to make a profit to display the thing, advise customers, take back returns from twits who haven't listened, irate forum members who's kit is broken, etc. They are the ones with the real overheads, sob sob!
     
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    I have one and the time hasn't slipped since I bought it (two weeks).
    The playback of one thing while recording another is not an issue for
    me as I have an NTL box too. From what I've seen the Pace twin has
    it's own share of bugs so it's not any better. I'm not a zealot for one or
    the other but there seems to be some mis-information about the humax.

    I seriously considered a Tivo, but there are two problems. 1) I could no
    longer use my ntl box whilst something is recording, 2) it's obsolete!
    Whilst there are online retailers, I won't touch them as I couldn't find a
    contact address for their physical location. By the end of this year, or
    even 6 months I fully expect there to be a hard drive solution available
    which does what the original poster wants. For now, I suggest they wait.
     
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    I wasn't thinkg of anything as fancy as an EPG. I just want a simple timer or the posibility to use an external trigger. Off-the-shelf EPGs don't cover many of the channels that I want or the channel configuration that I use or the external events from security cameras that I want to be able to record so I'm just looking for a stripped down feature list on a HDD (essentially just like the current VCRs) and don't want to pay for the extras.

    Thanks to all of those who explained how profit-margins work :D I still think the price for what I need should be around the same as a VCR - the parts should cost roughly the same (that is at trade prices - NOT at retail like I'd pay if I'm doing it myself) and you don't have to pay for propriatory technologies like VHS and PAL (or mpeg) if you record and playback raw without decoding and encoding.
     

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