Happy Trafalgar Day!!!

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  1. Miyazaki

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    On this day 200 years ago, the greatest military commader the world has ever seen, Lord Nelson, defeated, nay annihilated, the combined French and Spanish fleet off Cape Trafalgar.

    Blimey, defeating the French sure makes you feel good! But seriously, why isn't today a national holiday?

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    Wahey! Happy Trafalgar Day!!!!
     
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    Its probably not a national holiday as the PC brigade would say "You cannot stand there waving at france celebrating the fact we kicked their butts. You are violating their human rights" Or some crap like that
     
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    Great to see our glorious flag displayed so prominently, thanks Guru. :)
     
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    Greatest apart from Alexander the Great, Ghengis Khan, Sun Tzu, Cornelius Scipio (aka Scipio Africanus), Hannibal, Napolean, Erich von Manstein and of course the Duke of Wellington.

    Nelson was good, and the battle he won was absolutely pivotal in British history. But IMHO other leaders had greater talent for command.

    Other than that, I agree with your sentiment. We should celebrate our history. :thumbsup:
     
  6. la gran siete

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    And General San Martin who defeated the Spanish at San Lorenzo and Maipu.The there is George Washington who kicked our butts in 1776 and Santiago Liniers who defeated General william Carr Viscount of Beresford British forces in 1806 leading a group of very eager but unprofessional Creoles
     
  7. la gran siete

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    These two events are celebrated annually in a most jingoistic fashion.Feels good doesnt it? :rolleyes:
     
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    whilst we are at it why not celebrate slaughtering tens ot thousands of Germans and Japs
     
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    :rolleyes: 200 years ago, i think them war storys should rest in peace :rotfl:
     
  10. Miyazaki

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    Theres always someone to spoil the mood isn't there! :rolleyes:
     
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    Yes so do I . All this triumphalism is rather unedifying :nono: People get killed and maimed during battles.Besides we should be moving forward and not glorying in past deeds.What makes us proud today?
     
  12. Miyazaki

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    Would you sign up if war was declared tomorrow, or would you run and hide. I wonder... :rolleyes:
     
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    What I wouldnt do is rejoice.
     
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    Why do people constantly associate our flag with Empire and military victories? Leave nationalsm on the sporting field where it belongs.
     
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    Our flag is the combination of the Saltaire of St. Patrick, St. Andrew and the Cross of St. George. 3 kingdoms.

    By nature it is an imperial flag.

    Celebration of the defeat of a force bent on our own invasion should be celebrated. Don't you celebrate VE day or the battle of britain. I always make a note to remember the dead and their achievement. War is often what shapes a nation, and what a glorious nation we live in :thumbsup:
     
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    In which case it should be replaced as we no longer have an empire(thankfully).
    No I dont celebrate miltary victories. It is a time for sombre reflection, relief and maybe some gratitude too. For eg I never rejoiced after the Falklands fiasco unlike the the sabre rattlers who disgracefully made themselves so evident
     
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    Depends on whether it was a legal war or not. With buffoon B-liar in charge, probably not.
     
  18. Miyazaki

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    We defended a sovereign part of Britain from foreign aggressors, and defeated them soundly. The Argentinians had it all coming to them, and I would have applauded the sinking of the Belgrano had I been old enough.
     
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    It was a shamefull and disgraceful part of our history and whilst I was equally against the Argentine invasion the jingoism which followed the sinking of the Belgrano made me feel sick particulalry the Sun headline "Gotcha". What price for a pair of rocks we have no moral right over anyway?They were Argentine territory until the 1840s
     
  20. la gran siete

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    I'm amased that someone with liberal pretensions should support Imperialism and gross militaristic activities . Or maybe I shouldnt be :rolleyes:
     
  21. Miyazaki

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    A right-wing military junta tried to take, by force, the islands and people of Great Britain. No matter what anyones political leanings are, we should always defend our land and our people to the last. :thumbsup:
     
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    Our lands are over here in the northern hemisphere adjacent to the North sea.
     
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    Whilkst I didnt support the Artgentine invasion I do recognise they have a legitimate claim over those islands. Incidentally the islanders ( who are a peculiarly ungrateful bunch) had hitherto been completely dependant on the Argentine for everything including flights to the UK.
     
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    By whose law?

    Serious question - just want you to justify that statement.
     
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    Two words: "China" and "Tibet". You should never be amazed by left wing hypocrisy - it's never known any bounds.
     
  26. Miyazaki

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    So now liberals are communists??? :rolleyes:

    Liberals have always been the party of the centre.
     
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    Don't recall saying that... let me check... nope, I was right, I didn't.

    Everyone's "the party of the center" when it suits them. I would hardly say that's true of today's Liberal (Democrats) either - if anything, they're becoming what Labour used to be. Historically they were what would have been (at the time) left wing, but via the rise of socialism, they became a centrist party by default (because they were to the right of socialism but still to the left of conservatism).

    However, none of that was my point: my point is how "liberals" (however you define them) seem to reserve a particular ire for the perceived misdoings of certain parties, yet can't same to muster the same indignant disgust for those of others, and it's rather curious how the line of demarcation appears to be the political slant of the parties involved.

    Wouldn't you agree?
     
  28. Miyazaki

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    I agree. I'm sorry if you think I snapped at you. It just seems that for some people on here, anyone to the left of them is a communist. Historically, the Liberals have been centralists, although with Blair increasingly steering his party to the right, the Liberals have become the left-most party.

    IMHO the Liberals are nothing like the Labour of old though. Hardly up the unions backside! ;)
     
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    True - the Lib Dems don't have the militant tendencies of Old Labour, (a) because they never really had that in them, and (b) because no matter how much a few disillusioned souls can't bring themselves to admit it, hardline socialism is a concept which never took off and has become irrelevant in the modern world. The revolution isn't coming guys, get over it.

    However, in terms of being the left-most leaning (major) party in the UK, that's without a doubt, and it's not just because Blair has turned Labour into Thatcherism Lite - the Lib Dems have definitely made their own move in the opposite direction, albeit not as abruptly as Labour moved the other way. What the Lib Dems should be kicking themselves (and firing people) over is how easily they conceded the middle ground. Third Party? Yes, and with a third-place mentality to match. But that's another discussion.
     
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    What a friendly thread this has turned out to be! :rolleyes:
     

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