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Halo 2.5 and Xbox 2 – The Bomb!

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  1. explicitlyrics

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    For anybody who is interested:




    Halo 2.5 and Xbox 2 – The Bomb!
    >> From TeamXbox.com:
    Read the whole story on TeamXbox.com.
     
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    I wasnt all that impressed with Halo 2 (after playing Half LIfe 2.)

    It needed more resolution and the XBox simply cant handle it.

    Im sure the XBox 2 will have the necesary specs to give Halo 2 the treatment it deserves.

    Should be good if it materialises! I also want to know what the XBox 2 specs are going to be. If they are the same as my PC or worse then I doubt ill get one. Simply put, PCs are way ahead of consoles these days. I doubt the consoles will catch up or stay ahead of the latest PC technology.

    Consoles are easyer to use and have some exclussive titles but that is not reason enough to spend a lot of money on a console when that money best spent on my PC!
     
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    Yes but xboxes are all the same so software designers dont need to worry about overheads for different hardware running. Its only because PC's are so far ahead of consoles that there is such a difference. Designing for an xbox and only 1 model of it means more can be drawn out of the console.
     
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    Yeah thats also true about consloes. But in a way PCs are becomig like that.

    ie. there are only 2 major graphics cards makers, 2 major CPU makers and 1 (realisticaly) OS maker.

    PC game makers have less to account for than they used to.

    Most PC games have a minimum spec requirement.

    Its also true that PC can be a headache while consoles are just plug and play.

    Still. Console are limited as they can never be upgraded like PC's can. Thus being the limiting factor in the consoles life cycle.

    Dont get me wrong, I have all the available consoles and even older ones like th Dreamcast that deserved better treatment.

    But these days I find myself ditching all the consoles in favour of the PC!

    Lets face it. WHO is making the PS3's graphics chip? Nvidia are.
    XBox 2? ATi.

    CPU? probably intel.

    Cmon, its basicaly a PC under the hood!

    But when you compare those parts to your PC they are always inferior. If you have the guts to open up the hood.
     
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    the rough specs of the Xbox 2/ Xbox next are on the net...
    CPU...
    Three-core(Maybe as many as 5!) IBM-developed 65nm 64-bit chip @3.5GHz+.
    Based on a variation of the Power5 chip.
    Each core capable of running 2 threads, so in essense, 6-core processor performance

    Graphics Chip...
    Graphics chip provided by ATI.
    The GPU is a variation of the R500 architecture.

    10MB of EDRAM for HDTV Support
    Superset of Shader Model 3.0
    500MHz+ Clock Speed
    256/512MB of unified system RAM

    Audio...
    Dolby Digital 5.1/7.1 support
    24-bit (DVD Quality) high-definition audio

    These are of course rough guesses but with the xbox 2 due to be revealed in January we will all know the exact specs soon.
    All for around £300-£400.
     
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    Yeah sounds good, but those specs are pretty close to what I have in my PC just now.

    By the time the XBox 2 comes out my PC will be ahead of the XBox 2.

    Im not gonna be a sucker like last time and fork out high import prices like I did for my US Xbox.

    Ill wait till its been out for a while and its dirt cheap. more games will be out then too!
     
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    The specs of the Xbox2 will naturally be the best that's available at the time of manufacture, and I believe thy've already started manufacture. While a fixed spec console will never keep up with PC technology, that is IMHO a consoles strength, not its weakness. If you think that the XBox is a single processor 733MHz Pentium 3 class CPU with a four year old graphics chipset, it's pretty amazing that they manage to get Halo 2 to look as good as it did.

    Its the fact that consoles are a stable platform with known components that allows developers to push the hardware to its limits, as opposed to PC games where the game often has to be made to run on the lower end machines (high end games like Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 apart). I've played Half-Life 2, and of course its stunning, but its a little harsh to say you're dissapointed with Halo 2 because the graphics aren't high enough resolution! It still plays like a dream in many respects...

    I've seen several articles about at the moment explaining that current technology of processors is nearing it limits as the heat generated is just too much to handle. Multi-core processing is the short-to-medium term solution, and this is where the next gen consoles will excel (if they're done right). Plus add in to the mix that consoles are now specced to run as part of a home cinema setup with 5.1/7.1 and HDTV, and it's an exciting proposition...
     
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    Also, XBox cost £300 new, XBox 2 will most likely be released at a similar price. How much would it cost to build the pc equivelent of the XBox 2?
     
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    Rob20.

    I fully agree that PC's are many times more expensive than consoles (when built right) but they are true multi-fucntional devices. For example, mine is used as a DVD player, scaler, CD player and jukebox etc, which it does to a very high standard. These functions alone make the money I invest in the PC well spent for me.

    I do agree that a £1500 PC built purely for gaming is slightly excessive. You could buy like 10 gamecubes, 5 PS2's and 5 xbox's for that. :laugh: (not that you would want them)

    I have just sold my XBOX which I brought purely for Halo 2. I was very dissapointed with the gameplay and the graphice tbh. Having just played Half Life 2, it looked rather silly. Lets hope XBOX 2 can do it justice.

    Rob
     
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    I paid £100 for my XBox with Outrun 2 (worth £30 at the time). For £20 I have a decent dvd player. It's also a reasonable cd player and juke box. What could i get pc wise for £120? or £300 for that matter, for a fairer comparison with the upcoming XBox 2. Comparing a £1,500 pc to a £300 console seems a little unfair.
     
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    Disappointment, don't talk to me about disappointment !!

    I've just played snake III on my new Nokia phone, and to be honest, it doesn't really come close to Half Life 2 on my £350 graphics card-equipped blade computing server farm set-up.

    What on earth do Nokia think they're playing at !!

    Mr. Angry.
     
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    My neice has just got a Game Boy Advanced and I so disapointed with Spyro the Dragon. What were they thinking no 5.1 surround sound no option to plug into my amp. no hidef option. jeez
     
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    sarcasm in full flow.....
    :thumbsup:
     
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    I didn't realise, you can just never tell these days!
     
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    Okay, I'll do my bit to get back on topic.

    MSmust have had some tricky options and trade-offs in designing the xbox2.

    DO they design hardware expecting another price war with sony, and the danger they ahve to fund another 3 years of over-specc'd hardware...

    Or do they make their move on owning the market by re-defining what the best online console should look like, so anything arriving later with a lower spec suffers from what is known as gamecubism ??

    clearly, the first post makes it sound as though they're in the hidef frame of mind, so 720p and 1080i for the mid-life american males is a must have.

    I don't want backwards game compatibility, nor xbox exclusive games, however improving the onlining gaming experience would be very attractive.

    there, done.
     
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    lol how did this happen from my original post... hmmm. It was just news and is now a mutated slag people off post. woops! :)
     
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    It looks like the Halo 2 / XBOX fanboys are out in force. Oh dear :(
     
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    We will hit a point in the future ; next 20 years say, when the sheer grunt of your average processor is effectively more than capable of performing any realistic task you throw at it. There will be less emphasis on speed and power as a result. Computers will still get faster but you won't necessarily need to continually upgrade for the domestic situation. (in fact you might even get centralised render engines that do all the actual hard crunch of the processing for the really bleeding edge games and they just serve to your home system which is really just a display and input device)

    The PC itself will disappear and instead you'll have something in your house that you play games on , watch films on record TV on ,use for surfing and email etc etc.

    You'll get games and they will run on anything that runs games. There will be no consoles and PCs just domestic servers with all the physical appeal of a central heating system.

    The upgrade cycle will be more akin to cars not so much of a seachange in technology every 8 months driving things forward. Advancements will be more along the lines of getting electric windows and cd players rather than a new model with 7 wheels that you drive with a joystick and the engine of which is capable of getting you to mach 1 but you won't find many garages that stock the ultra expensive ,highly volatile fuel as everyone thinks the next model will be even better and use a different fuel, but you still can't drive faster than a 1984 metro in fact it will go quicker as it doesn't have an auto-pilot refusing to break the speed limit anyway.

    In fact most "normal" people don't give a monkey's about the innards of their PC at the moment as long as it lets them look at porn and send holiday snaps to auntie edna.
    They'll quite happily pooter along until it stops working and some cowboy tries to persuade them to upgrade to a totally new machine when all thats happened is the PSU has snuffed it.

    Half-Life 2 very nice very clever ...real men play counterstrike source though.
    Halo2 pretty sure I got physically aroused during some of the more intense battles and I was too busy playing the game and heavy breathing to worry about the visual limitations of the engine.(which is not to say it looks bad just uses whats available)
     
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    I still don't know how people can compare console and PC graphics! PC graphics are better than console graphics at the moment mainly due to the fact that almost every PC in the world is hooked up to a hi-def progressive display, where as most consoles will be hooked up to very run of the mill TVs.

    There's also the small matter of the latest graphics cards costing more than the latest consoles, and become outdated MUCH faster. And then you'll be needing a motherboard to drop that into. And a CPU for your motherboard. And some ram. And everything else.....

    And AML - I don't think you quite realise the number of variables in a PC. It's not simply a case of the same CPU manufacturer, or graphics card. It's the chipset used, even the soundboard, every little difference means that compromises must be made. Look at the 2nd and 3rd generation games on Xbox and PS2. Why are they graphically and technically so much better than the early titles? Not because the hardware has advanced, but because the software developer has had time to figure out how to hard code, to get the hardware to do what THEY want it to do, without relying on the libraries supplied with the development kits. You simply cannot do this on the PC due to advancement of the hardware being so frequent these days. Personally I find it harder and harder to keep up with PC technology, it seems like every month there is a new CPU with a different core revision, or 12 extra pins that make it incompatible with the board that was the very latest 3 months ago, you know what i mean?

    Of course we are at a point now where PC gaming will always be graphically superior to console gaming, there simply isn't enough money to subsidise the cost of the console enough to be able to put in the latest kit, plus you have to give your developers something to develop on before your console is released so you have some games for launch day! Maybe in 5-10 years when most homes have a hi-def display in the main room as standard, most console games will be graphically comparable to most pc games, but until then i can't help but feel that most people will be happy with the similar improvements we currently achieve year on year in the current console situation.

    On a side note, i had a great time last night playing Super Mario Kart on the SNES/Super Famicom, i can't think of any games for the PC i would want to play that are 12 years old. In fact, the only game i play on the PC that has held my interest at all over the years has been counterstrike, in contrast to the many many console games that i still enjoy playing 5-10 years after their release. Mario 3 anyone?

    Back on topic, i think that the Xbox 2 looks like it could be a killer piece of kit, although i'm not sure about them releasing all the different versions of it. (what's the point in NOT putting the HD in, if i can buy a 200Gb drive for £60, i'm sure MS can put in a feeble 10Gb hd for next to nothing) I'm not really a huge Halo fan, but there's no doubting that it's the game that sold the Xbox to the masses, so it seems only sensible to have a new version of Halo ready for launch on the Xbox 2. I think they're holding something back though, can't really imagine a re-hash of Halo 2 with extra bits when they have this new machine with all this new power which will have super publicised launches all over the globe. On the other side of the globe, it really looks like Sony have to get their bottom into gear, the details on the PSP were decidedly ropey up until launch day, now with people complaining about build issues, and the spec on the PS3 still isn't remotely finalised.

    Although deep down i still hold out for Mr. D's utopian view of computing to come, when quantum computers rise, you'll maybe only need 1 processing server per town, maybe even only 1 in the world, and every computer will be a dumb terminal off this server. How future technology excites me :) (as long as the OS for this server isn't something as frightening as "Windows ONE, uniting the world" or something equally scary)
     
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    Yeah, bizarre that - have alook at the top of the thread and you'll see it's a halo 2/ xbox 2 topic in the console gaming section.

    :hiya:

    ...despite people wanting to talk about their PCs.

    Mr D.

    I half agree. I did hear the other day that PC processor makers are now admitting that they're making too much power for most computing purposes, and scaling architectures means number crunching won't be an issue.

    Instead, it is recognised that it is the graphics and display and sound processing side that will increase in importance, as we seek more visually and aurally pleasurable interfaces.

    Therefore, the balance of power swings from Intel to nvidia, etc, and your centralised/hosted crunching serving localised display processors could be the future.

    Where I don't agree is on domestic tools lacking personality or charm.
    The best selling kit in the home is stuff like dyson vacuum cleaners, Power book MACs, iPODs, Nokia smartphones. All of these recognise that many people still excite in owning aspirational belongings.

    There will be people that recognise it's the same internal workings as a box from Korea, but the price difference would be worth it to them.
    For example, do you have your DVDs on display, or put away in a drawer?

    Seaney,

    Damn good point, why the two versios of xbox?

    I'd certainly expect I could justify the outlay of the HDD one, because I'd hope it would improve games.

    Perhaps the others are for more cash constrained?
    Or will appeal to younger games playing in their bedrooms?

    hmm. Has any other console had two derivatives before? can't think of any.
     
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    Without wanting to look like a knob (too late some of you will be saying) I just want to re-state my point which may not have been clear in my post.

    - I agree you can't compare a £1500 PC with a £100 console, it is not fair.

    -GAMEPLAY aswell as GRAPHICS wise, Halo 2 dissapointed me. I actually feel that the low frame rate and blurry low res textures overshaddowed what may have been a great game. :confused: (I only purchased another XBOX for this game, and have now sold it)

    - I loved Halo 1, and would love to see Halo 2 looking awesome at 1080 i on XBOX 2 (or the PC)

    Keith,

    You are right, CS:S is a real mans game, lets hope I can meet up with you on there sometime.

    Bonesy,

    There is a difference between fans and fanboys. Some of the comments in this thread sounded like the damaged ego's of fanboys to me.

    Rob
     
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    Rob,

    Taken your advice, and re-read the thread -

    Can you explain to me the difference between discussion and trolling...

    ;)
     
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    Guy's just leave all this fanboy rubbish alone & get back on topic please.
     
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    I don't think I can.... sorry. :confused:
     
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    My two pence worth is that its got to be about content delivery. The hard drive must be an unneccessary extra, otherwise they wouldn't be able to release a version without it. Therefore it may be used to download games off the internet, presumably straight from MS - Halo 2.5 being pre-loaded onto the hard drive. I can't imagine it would add extras to gameplay, that just seems a bit bizzarre really. Maybe it just means you can only have custom soundtracks and so on if you have the hard drive installed.

    I like the hard drive in my Xbox, it let developers do some cool stuff with the games, but MS must of thought of this and replaced it with some other technology?
     
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    Lorenzini

    Maybe MS will incorporate a set amount of memory such as SD or CF. I am sure they could obtain 512Mb or 1024 MB at very competative rates.

    I like the idea of downloading your games direct from the net to the machine. It worked very well with HL2 and if done right, I can't see why game prices shouldn't drop.

    Rob
     
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    How can halo2 have a low frame rate?? it runs 60 frames per second(thats why the view angle has been made narrower so the frame rate doesnt drop) all the time unlike halo 1 which did suffer from some slow down. I do agree about the graphics though very disapointing where was all the lovely Bump maping effects that are in halo1 - zoom in to the grass, rocks etc on Halo 1 and the textures look like grass/rock etc But on halo 2 its just a low res blurry textures.
    Online though is where this game does rock and really is the best online game around for consoles.
     
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    From what i've read of the Rumours (and remember nothing has been confirmed) The Harddrive version of xbox 2 will have at least a 80 Gig HD, it will be similar to the PSX that sony released in japan last year (where it quickly flopped ) It will have loads of media centre options play videos,mp3's etc plus have a tv tuner so you can record tv to the HD. May even have a dvd burner in it??
    I for one will will be buying the HD version as i dont want to be buying memory cards every few weeks(Sony makes a great profit from there memory cards) plus i like having all my music stored on the xbox.

    As for the xbox 2 without the HD that will be just a games machine and MS have signed up a well known flash card campany to make memory cards for it at least 64meg size upto 512meg? cards - still not much room to store dloadable content or music.
     
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    The advantage of the hard drive is caching the textures and maps etc etc... The use of some form of flash memory has the advantage that it could hold saves, however it is much much slower for accessing than a hard drive is. Anyway I think thats all that can be drawn out of this thread till january when the specs of the Xbox 2 are actually released (hopefully not delayed)!
     
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    Captains got a fair point, MS might be having a crack at the PVR market for the US.
     

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