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Great audio good surround, what to get?? Arcam?

Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by Derranged, Aug 20, 2002.

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  1. Derranged

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    Sorry for the weird topic title but i'd been staring for the screen for half an hour and couldnt come up with something decent.

    heres my question.

    I saved up some money and i wanna buy an av set.
    My interests are 80% audio 20%dvd.

    Thats why great audio for me is way more important then having a great surround.

    First i was thinking bout going for a stereo set and leave surround for what it is.
    But lately im watchin quite a few dvd's and enjoying it alot, and since im gonna spend "alot" of money i'd like to have surround capabilities also.

    Well everyone knows that a dedicated stereo will sound a heck off alot better then the audio on a surround reciever.

    Here comes my problem, i dont want to compromise audio quality!!

    So i started to browse round the web and i found arcam's site.

    and i kinda think the following will solve my problem:

    ARCAM FMJ A22 (with dave)

    This is a stereo amp but can be upgraded to a 5 chan amp.

    my question is, when i upgrade it will i still have the same stereo/audio quality as before or will it change coz of the 3 extra channels.
    Cause if the quality stays te same i think this is a great solution, i have great stereo sound (arcam is known for their great stereo sound) and i have a good surround reciever supporting dts (since most of my dvd's are dts)

    ARCAM FMJ P25

    This one i'd use so i can bi-amp the fronts.
    I read that biamping arcam will increase the sound quality alot.

    ARCAM FMJ P25 (with third channel)

    This one i'd use to hook up the 2 rears and the center for surround use.

    FMJ DV27

    This i'd use for dvd and audiop play, since i read alot of great reviews concerning audio and dvd quality.

    How do you guys think about this sollution for my problem.

    Having great stereo sound en a good surround setup in one.

    Do you have other sollutions i can look into?

    To make sure i need to go listen to them, coz no matter how nice he reviews are, you never know how the products sound to you.

    I wont be buying these all at once coz i dont have a money tree in my yard.
    I was thinking about upgrading graduatly

    At the moment i got about $3000 a $4000 budget.


    My greatest concern is how will this system will hold up in the future.

    I know i dont got sacd support and i dont care cause i dont see the medium taking off any time soon, and if it takes off well i dont think i be very quick to jump on the bandwagon.

    So to sell a long story short:

    I want a great sounding stereo set with a nice surround sound.

    You got any comment or know a good sollution let me know.

    ps. sorry for the long story
     
  2. Coolcat

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    Take a look at TAG McLaren gear, a bit more money but worth every penny. Top build quality and they are fully upgradeable.

    AV32R has had upgrades since launched in 1999 via software and hardware updates.

    Their DVD32R is wonderful with plain old CDs and made a big difference from the Meridian CD player we were using before.

    www.tagmclaren.com
     
  3. dts_boy

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    New Arcam processor and matching power amp? thats what my money would be on...
     
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    I was recently in a similar situation when deciding on new setup.
    My taste was the reverse of yours, with more than 90% of my needs being for multichannel.
    After listening to various systems I have decided on the Tag, but if I was after more musical performance, I would have gone for a Krell system.

    I agree with your idea of auditioning systems, but try to find somewhere that has systems below and above your price range.
    You can then audition these at the same time, and get an idea for the kind of upgrade path you might take.
    Also, make sure you have your selection of music/film scenes so you can compare against sounds you are used to.
    If you are anywhere near Maidenhead, I'd recommend a visit to AudioVenue. They will be able to help you find the right kit for the sound you are after as well as keeping an upgrade path available.
     
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    If you're looking at the Arcam DAVE stuff it's important to note that (as I recall) it doesn't have 5.1 inputs for passing through hi-resolution audio (i.e. SACD or DVDA).

    It might also be worth looking at the Roksan stuff. I have the Caspian processor and power amp. It is heavily skewed toward audio rather than home cinema. Whether it would suit you or not would depend on where you priorities lie.

    Regards,

    Jules.
     
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    Thanks for the advice to check out tag, but thats kinda outta my price range.
    And what i undrstand from reading about tag its more focussed on home entertainment then audio.

    Krell, hell yeah!!! but thats like miles outta my price range.
    I saw some nice poweramps from krell bout $9000 a piece :)

    Yeah it doesn't have inputs for sacd an dvd a.
    But like it stated earlier, that isnt a problem for me.


    Theres a guy from arcam on this forum right?/
    I thought his name was John Wattson .

    John where are you mate??????

    Can you might answer my questions concerning the dave module in my first post?


    Thanks in advance
     
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    John Watson is an ex F1 world champ. I think the guy you are after is called Damon Mansell.

    Steve
     
  8. lmccauley

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    Yeah i meant mr john dawson.

    I got the names mixed up i'm sorry.
     
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    No need to apologise, I'm sure.

    You could drop him a private message and ask him to look at this thread. I've found him to be very helpful in the past. Indeed, that's one of the reasons why I stretched my budget to buy an Alpha 10 with DAVE and a 10P3 a couple of years back.

    Cheers,
    Liam
     
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    Hey liam,

    thanks for the tip man, i'll send him an pm.

    Hows the Alpha 10 with DAVE and a 10P3 combination working for you?


    You statisfied with the dave board?

    cheers,

    Robert
     
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    Much as I love John Watson, and enjoyed his British GP victory, he wasn't World Champion.......don't you mean Nigel Hill ?
     
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    No, no. Your knowledge of F1 history lets you down. Watson never won the British GP, that was Nelson Andretti.
     
  14. Matt F

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    Not at all - TAG's AV32R processor is also a superb 2 channel stereo pre amp. The fact that TAG have since introduced a "stereo only" version of it (DPA32R) for hifi buffs tells you all you need to know about the AV32Rs stereo performance.

    Also, remember that you can pick them up second hand or ex-dem at a lot less than the r.r.p. - I paid £1850 for an immaculate ex-dem one. I'd highly recommend it both for it's sound quality (in stereo and surround) and for its upgradeability.

    I'd also, as you say, check out what Arcam have to offer, plus Myryad (as has already been suggested) and perhaps Primare i.e. hifi companies who offer AV processors plus 5 channel power amps.

    Matt.
     
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    Robert -

    To answer your questions, if you fit a DAVE board to an Alpha 10 or FMJ A22, then this in no way detracts from the unit's stereo performance. You can then add power amps as you need to power the centre and rears, bi-amp the front speakers and so on.

    The Alpha 10 family is discontinued and has essentially the same performance as the A22/P25 family, though the latter to many people's eyes is much nicer looking.

    The DAVE board gives excellent AV decoding for Dolby Digital, DTS and Dolby Pro-Logic. It does not however support the extra rear channel on newer 6.1 formats or DPL II. Nor does it have a 6 channel analogue input though if you want to play 2 channel hi res analogue signals these are of course supported on the normal stereo inputs. So in some senses it is a bit limited but it is still a very high quality system.

    Should you buy a full spec AV processor at a later date (our new AV8 comes to mind!) then you can still retain the Alpha 10/ A22 products as power amps if you wish.

    HTH. Where do you live BTW?

    John Dawson (Arcam)
     
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    Hey john,

    Thanks for answering my questions.

    Good to hear the audio quality doesnt change, i was afraid of this.

    It got the same preformance???
    The only difference is the look??

    cause i can get a use alpha 10 amp for a bout £380
    the cheapest price a saw for a fmj a22 is £885

    So thats a lotta of price difference for just looks.
    maybe i might check out a used alpha 10 then.

    Yeah i know the limitations of the dave board now an they are acceptable for me.

    Retaining them in the future is great cause i was afraid if a build a whole set round the dave board i cant use em in a upgrade at a later date.

    I think the av8 will be outta my budget

    well i have to let everything sink in and go have a listen before i make a decision.

    Oh yeah i live in the Netherlands
     
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    bump :)
     
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    Mario Piquet :cool:
     

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