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Discussion in 'PC Gaming & Rigs' started by 007geezer, Apr 19, 2005.

  1. 007geezer

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    Someone please explain the difference with these cards...all are 6600 but why the price differences and which one should i go for, the 6600GT has been recommended by a friend for my system.

    Im leaning towards the XFX GeForce PCX6600 GT 128MB AGP TV-Out Dual DVI at £144.35 what do you all think? =My budget is about £160
    Many thanks

    http://www.overclock.co.uk/customer/home.php?cat=645 :lease:

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  3. 007geezer

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    Many thanks BjD wi;ll take your recommendations on board. :clap:
     
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    The gainward is about the best in that price range. There are several comparison reviews on the net where it comes out top.

    I am waiting for Microdirect to get them back in stock but for about £160 you can get a 6600GT 128mb, Golden Sample, GLH. The GLH bit is important, makes it slightly faster than the non GLH card.

    Have a look at gainward.com for more info.

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  5. dynamic turtle

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    Do you really need to spend £150 on a graphics card with that system behind it? I have similar specs to you and I'm amazed at what my humble Radeon 9550 256MB card is capable of. You can get them for less than £60 on ebay!!!

    The law of diminishing returns apply at anything with anything above this, IMO. If you bought this card, you could run Doom 3 with everything maxed-out, at 1280 x 1024 rez with no problems.

    Money saved on the card can go towards games instead!

    DT
     
  6. bjd

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    Can't really agree with that. A 9550 would be a substantial bottleneck in that system
     
  7. 007geezer

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    Oi!
    dont confuse me :eek: more than i am already! lol seriously many thanks for the info lads, have just purchased a 6600gt 2 day. :clap:

    Cant wait to see how it performs? :devil:

    forgot to mention in reply to Dynamic Turtles good point, the card i have at present is a radeon 9250 256 mb but on benchmarking it with Aquamark i only get 12000 approx pretty low for the system eh! :thumbsdow
     
  8. dynamic turtle

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    Sorry dude, I don't use benchmark programs so I can't give you my score (used to use Mad Onion years ago though).

    BJD, I'm sure his system could utilise more powerful cards - for sure. My point is that maybe a "bottleneck" is worth £100! Certainly not having any problems running all the lastest stuff on a 9550 though.

    Whether-or-not it'll run quake 4 properly is anyone's guess though ;)

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    Which card did you go for in the end?
     
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    I wouldn't get a 9550 if you're not planning on upgrading again soon. There's going to be more GPU intensive games coming out in the near future that'll strain your CPU further. As soon as the 6800+ (gt xp etc) type cards have lost their premium pricetags, assuming they already haven't, I'd go for one of those.
     
  11. dynamic turtle

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    While I'm here, I might as well ask where I can buy cooling fans for graphics cards. My radeon doesn't have one. Can they be purchased seperately somewhere? Might come in handy for overclocking.....

    would this be suitable for a radeon 9550? It says 9600 in the description, but seeing as the 9550 is based on the 9600, can I get away with it?

    http://www.pcwcomponentcentre.co.uk/invt/cooacati2

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    benchmarked my new card, the 6600GT with Aquamark and it was 51000+ not a bad improvement from the old cards 12000 mark...very pleased with it and it doesnt have a fan (silent pipe) so a lot quieter too.Now what else can i do to speed things up???? :D
     
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    put the pc in michael schumackers boot?
     
  15. bjd

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    Don't know if Micro Direct got these back in or not, but if you haven't already got one, Komplett have them in stock:


    http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=304639&cks=PRL

    Brian
     
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    I have decided to get a 6600gt but i dont really want to spend £170 on the gainward so i am searching for the lowest priced card that runs no less than 500/1000 i dont know a great deal on the subject and there are lots of different manufacturers out there so i could use your help.

    If any1 has a link to 1 of the best cards (AGP) at a good price i would appreciate u posting them here.

    :lease: :thumbsup: :lease:
     
  17. Greg Hook

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    I had an email from Gainward saying they have this card in stock now for selling direct.

    Awaiting an email back for confirmation, as the price quoted was about 209 + 15 shipping. As this was from Germany I am presuming it was in Euros which would make it about £150.

    Think the sales email for gainward is lukas@gainward.de if anyone is interested.

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  18. JonnyConcrete

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    I have found the chaintech card at a good price its speed is 500/1000 is this card worth buying?
     
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    actually im looking to sell my pc and buy this

    AMD64 Athlon 3700+ 1Mb Cache CPU
    1,024MB 400mhz PC3200 DDR Memory
    200GB Maxtor S-ATA 150 7,200RPM HDD
    NVidia Chaintech 6600GT 128MB Graphics Card
    ASRock K8Upgrade-VM800


    is this worth buying im pretty sure its top notch im just not too sure about the ASRock K8Upgrade-VM800 ?
     
  20. bjd

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    I would go with a conventional socket 939 motherboard, if I were you.
     
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    can u tell me what the differance is?
    :)
     
  22. Ethics Gradient

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    the difference is that:

    a) a board / socket / chipset thats purpose built for a chip is better than a patched up one --- mroe often than not short cuts and compromises have to be taken which affect performance.

    b) if you have the proper socket , you can put the current fx 55 chips etc into your board when they eventually come down in price.



    note: I have not looked up the differences, but I would assume that memmory bandwidth, memmory controller etc will be different - which are fundamental to the performance increase of AMD64's ... 64's have memmory controller on chip rather than on mobo - upgrade chip probably wonlt as it would conflict with the mobo controller.

    --------------

    just had a look at the product ... looks like they have a socket adapter / daughter board

    I can't find any decent reviews or performance data either ..... but all I posted above is most likely drivel regarding this particualr product and upgradability and mem controllers.

    however, I would always tend to personally buy a proper board - as in the past, adaptable solution have 'tended' to be slower.
     
  23. JonnyConcrete

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    Thanx ethics grad :)


    Any1 elese got any info on this board??


    I was going to upgrade my pc to 1gig ddr and get a 6600gt

    My PC

    Medion Titanium 8008xl

    Intel Pentium 4 processor
    2.6 GHz clock frequency
    FSB: 400 MHz
    512 KB Second level Cache

    Motherboard Md-5000 m-atx Rev 1.2

    512MB RAM SAMSUNG DDR 333 MHz (upgrading to 1gig)

    ATI 9600tx (upgrading to 6600gt)




    but for the same price i can sell mine and get this pc


    AMD64 Athlon 3700+ 1Mb Cache CPU
    1,024MB 400mhz PC3200 DDR Memory
    200GB Maxtor S-ATA 150 7,200RPM HDD
    NVidia Chaintech 6600GT 128MB Graphics Card
    ASRock K8Upgrade-VM800


    which should I do?

    Is the motherboard the only component that isnt top notch and is it as easy to upgrade a motherboard as it is to upgrade a graphics card?

    :lease: :thumbsup: :lease:
     
  24. jon bda

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    My kids have a 6600GT in their PC that i picked up secondhand, very capable cards. I have an ASUS X800XT PE in mine...mmm...
    :D
     
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    I am also very confused over the various 6600GT cards.

    The Club version is only £115 at amazon and was recomended in this months PC PRO
     
  26. bjd

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    PC Pro didn't include the Gigabyte overclocked SilentPipe card, nor the Gainward GLH overclocked card, so the review was not comprehensive. Both of these cards are faster than the Club. Tomshardware recommends the Gigabyte because, although marginally slower than the Gainward, it is fanless and therefore silent. Either one would be a good choice, IMO. Micro Direct stock the Gainward, and Scan stock the Gigabyte.
     
  27. overkill

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    Nope. :) When you upgrade the mobo it's best to do a clean install each time, so try and get it right before you build. I agree with Ethics on this. Any board that's sporting a 754 with "upgrade potential to 939" smacks of a fudge. The boards spec is here:- ASrock.

    I would think about the gigabyte too. Although that card does need good airflow to stop it getting too hot.
     
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    HI,
    Is the msi 6600gt as good as the rest?
     
  29. bjd

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    Well, you can see how it performs against two of the cards I mentioned earlier in this thread here:

    http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050404/index.html

    I think it is worth bearing in mind that the differences between the overclocked cards and those at stock speeds are only a few fps. A standard 6600GT is still a very good mid-range card.

    Brian
    :oops:

    Just looked at the MSI benchmarks....seems a lot slower than the other cards :confused:
     
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    Ok while we're on the subject!
    I want to upgrade my graphics card but not sure what to go for as my system is a little aged and im not sure which card would get the best out of my RAM/CPU.
    I've got an Athlon 2800 XP with 1gb RAM and currently use an old GeForce 4200 128, all plugged into an MSI K7N2 Delta2-LSR.

    Anyone got a good ideas of a card that will work well alongside these components? I dont wann spend loads, just wanna have half life running at my TFT native res. with everything switched on!! :) thanks in advance.
     

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