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Grado sr 60 , sr 80's or sennheiser 280 pro ?

Discussion in 'Headphones, Earphones & Portable Music' started by jazzman, May 12, 2005.

  1. jazzman

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    I need a headphone i was thinking about getting one of the aboves i could even go for a sennheiser 580 or 600 but since i have no budget for a headphone amp and i will use my Marantz sr 7500 for it i wont be able to take advantage of their full capabilities am i right on that.

    And can anyone give an advice on those haephones which one i should go for and why.

    cheers
     
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    The importance of a headphone amp is, I think, somewhat overstated. Headphone amps certainly can improve the sound of headphones significantly, and some 'phones benefit more than others, but that doesn't mean they will sound bad if they don't have a headphone amp - just that they'll sound even better if you do.

    The only exception to that (IMO) is if you're trying to drive them from some sort of portable, battery-powered device - then you really do need a separate amp with something like the Sennheiser HD600. But assuming you're not using a low-power portable device, I'd say go for the Sennheiser HD580 or HD600 - if you can afford them. They're a very large step up from the likes of the Grado SR80.

    Sennheiser 280 are worth considering (again, IMO) only if you really, positively need a closed-back design.
     
  3. johnnycab

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    This might be not be the specific answer you are looking for, but here goes...I own a range of headphones - Sony, Senns, Beyer, AKG, Shure, Ety etc. and recently found myself listening to a variety of content i.e audio books, music, language courses etc. via my portable players.

    Out of all them - my favourite are the Grado SR60. Although, I also own the SR80, I find former the most versatile with all my solid state and removable media players, they are able to handle content which is not sonically fantastic and turn it into an acoustical experience; accurate soundstaging, detailed mids/highs and adequate bass.

    However, they are limited in their functionality due to their open back design - and leak almost all the sound, which can irritate other people e.g. on a train etc., even when the music level is not too loud. I am still not willing to give them up for anything else!
     
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    I bought a pair of Grado SR80s on the basis of recommendations here but only kept them for four weeks as to me they were the audio equivalent to trying to sleep on a bed of nails. Nice sound but I found the bass to be rather boomy with rock, blues and jazz for my taste. However, Grado has many devoted fans so they obviously have got something right. My Grados cost me ninety pounds and I was happy to sell them for fifty. I now own a set of Sennheiser HD580s and I like them very much for their sound and especially for their comfort.

    Grado headphones are quality cans for the price, but I suggest that you might try to audition a pair before buying them to see if they suit your ears. I have quite small, some might even say, pretty, ears that lie flat against my head. Given the discomfort and actual pain I got with the Grados, I can only think that people with less well designed ears than mine who choose Grado cans must have a somewhat masochistic approach to listening to music. Try before you buy.
     
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    A lot of Grado owners play around with aftermarket or diy pads. The usual pads are either flat type or bowl type and have slightly differing effects on the sound. The bowls that came with my Alessandro MS-2i phones (the tweaked equiv of Grado SR325i) feel like sandpaper and together with the band being too tight got uncofortable after a few hours. I now have pads from Beyer phones made by a specialist which are more comfortable but of course expensive.
     
  6. jazzman

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    i just wanted to thank all of you and wanted to let you know that i just purchased a pair of sennheiser hd 650 the sound is very good i really dont know if i should buy a headphone amp or not but for now i dont have the budget
     
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    You've bought a great set of cans. Whether or not you need an headphone amp really depends on your source. I suspect that you do not need an amp with your Marantz. I use an Amber Ant amp with my 580s but to be frank I don't really notice a vast improvement in sound between this and the headphone connector on the Denon. On reflection, I think that were I be buying now I pay the extra for the 650s and not bother with the amp. Although having the seperate headphone amp suits the physical layout of my system.
     
  8. jazzman

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    thanks a lot leporello

    however i would really like to buy an extension cable for it can you give me an advice i dont want to pay 200 usd for cardas i dont think its reasonable and i doubt that i would hear the benefit.

    i found some home made extension cables on ebay made with belden star quad cables or there is the standart extension cable that grado makes.

    do you have an idea which of these should i prefer or any other suggestions

    thanks and cheers




     
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    Sorry mate I can't make an informed choice about extension cables. However, if I were in your situation I would try an inexpensive extension cord to see whether it suited me. I bought a Denon AV system mainly as an upgrade to my PC sound so I'm probably the last person here to ask whether you should chase the Holy Grails of Audio perfection or of building a system with high power envy generator capacities.
     
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    The main thing with extension cables is to get one with gold plated connectors. This is going to make more difference to the sound quality than the cable itself IMO. As long as the cable itself is good quality copper and nicely shielded that is! :thumbsup:

    Stew
     
  11. jazzman

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    thanks a lot stewtheking comments well noted ,

    do you know anyone on ebay that sells thses products or any websites who do international orders

    cheers

     
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    A coupl of points:

    The HD650s are the top Senn headphones and can be difficult to get the best from without a headphone amp. You are less likely to hear any difference between them and the lower HD600/580s without an amp. However, even a humble diy amp like a cmoy or mint would help and they can be fairly cheap. The good news is that as you improve your source equipment the HD650s will sound even better.

    The gold on connections does not (IMO) change the sound it's just a matter of reducing tarnishing. A lot of high quality connectors don't use gold. Neutrik connectors are an audiophile favourite and are not gold.

    You can knock up a decent extension cable with parts from Maplin - using a Neutrik jackplug and socket and some quality cable would only be around £12-£15.

    I tell folks over at head-fi.org to visit here for AV solutions but there is far more info for headphones, cables and amps at head-fi.org.


    Steve
     
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    Couldn't agree more, sound quality is NOT dependent on connectors nearly as much as the cable itself. My advice would be let your ears tell you what is best for you. Always audition any gear you get, preferably using the equipment that you will be using it with. I have the Grado S60's and they are simply the best sounding headphones I have ever heard - they just blew me away. I am not familiar with the Sennheiser model you bought but for that money they had better be good!
    Try different extension cables and let your ears decide - that's the best advice I can give you.
     
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    i owned a pair of sr80`s and fell in love with the sound as soon as i demo`ed them unfortunately the romance didnt last as these IMO our the most uncomfortable set of cans i have had the displeasure to wear.i use mine for about 6 hours a day as i work nights and like my amp on when i come home.i took them back and got some nice beyer dynamics with a lush padded suede feel to them,unfortunately they broke a few years later and i now own a pair of AKG k141 studio`s :thumbsup:
     
  15. jazzman

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    I am using the headphone jack of my Marantz sr 7500 amp for the headphone thus i can not afford to buy a Musical fidelity headphone amp or something similar do you mean that an amp such as a cmoy or something in that range is better then he headphone amp components of my amp, i am not sure if i fallow you on that.

    cheers


    However, even a humble diy amp like a cmoy or mint would help and they can be fairly cheap. The good news is that as you improve your source equipment the HD650s will sound even better.
     
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    The basic assumption made by most audiophiles is the headphone circuitry in most equipment (except higher end stuff) is fairly cheap and basic. Spending on a dedicated amp replaces the cheap headphone amp part with something a bit better. The spending can range from a few tens of pounds to a few thousand.

    I started with a cmoy and now have far too many cheap to mid-range ones so I'll be clearing a few of the cheaper ones soon. Latest purchase was a $400 one for portable use as per my updated sig below.

    I suppose I'm lucky enough to be able to buy and upgrade to better and have had fun building my own as well.

    The best way however is where you can audition and send back if you don't feel they add anything to your experience.

    If you can afford to then do the 'try & buy', if funds are tight don't look anymore it'll cost you!
     
  17. jazzman

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    Unfortunately there is no place where i live that sells headphone amps you can only back order them therefore trying and buying is not an option for me .

    I must say however that i am pretty surprised and dissapointed that the headphoone components of the marantz can be worst then a cmoy headphone amp which costs around 30 usd, i d never thought that this could be the case

    In the mean time i have decided to buy the extension cable for my headphone from an ebay seller who do custom built headphone extnesion cables with belden star quad cable with neutrik connectors that seems to be the best i can find unless i go and buy cardas or equinox cable.

    thanks again



     
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    Jazzman,

    Yes I'd agree that a cmoy would seem an odd thing compared with an expensive amp but in some equipment we are only talking about a few cheap components added for the headphone socket. But to be honest a cmoy is a starting point and I don't think many stick at cmoy level unless it's for PC or portable CD/MP3 etc.

    I'm not sure if Alex at http://www.ant-audio.co.uk/products_antamber.shtml still does an evaluation period but you could try him. His amps are great but have a search over at head-fi.org as the looks conceal a great amp, I recased mine.

    On the extension cable, don't go overboard on the cost. You can buy the Neutrik connectors at Maplins and some decent van damme cable so about a tenner for a cable would get you a good extension lead. It's only three connections each end. You could even see if someone here would build you a nice one a bit cheaper than Ebay as some of the guys here are good with a soldering iron and probably have cable to spare.

    Bottom line is that you could be happy with your new headphones and existing equipment or start on the long road that the search for a little extra quality in the sound can entail. It can get expensive so if you want to save money for important things in life turn around now and just think the audiophile guys are nuts and have more money than sense (it's fairly true)!

    Steve
     
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    THANKS A LOT SETEVIE,

    well the cost with shipping and handling for the cable i told you about is 38 usd around 20 gbp so it's not that expensive i think i am going to go ahead and order it,

    whereas for the amp i think i am going to wait a little i think the next upgrade will be the source which would make more sense.


     

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