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Government support for UK Start-ups at CES described as ‘embarrassing’

Discussion in 'Politics & The Economy' started by Mark Hodgkinson, Jan 4, 2017.


    1. Mark Hodgkinson

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      I doubt there will be many who are surprised by this news.
       
    3. Alan CD

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      Not surprised.

      Other similar events held overseas are well supported so as to help increase British exports. These overseas events too are sometimes advertised as "The World's Most Important Consumer Show".

      Any publicity is good publicity and in cases like this the government is an easy target.
       
    4. Toko Black

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      This isn't about exports, it's the most important Tech industry 'gathering' for both showing off the new and latest technologies to networking and making contacts for colaborations and new ideas.

      The tech industry is not like other industries in so much as that it changes dramatically and quickly, meaning that not being involved can often lead to being left behind.
      It also has a very broad reach across all the other industries since technology is a major driver in innovation, efficiency and just what is possible.

      The UK and it's politicians have been behind the times with regards to technology and innovation .... it's seems very much like there is an attitude of "these new fangled thingamybobs are a fad and not important enough to spend any serious time dealing with".
      The rate of change in progress is however increasing and not supporting UK tech innovators is a big mistake. The UK seems to be focused only on bothering with the big well established companies, but they don't seem to have spotted exactly how big Google, Facebook et al have become VERY quickly from nowhere in a very short space of time.
       
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      The governments track record of indiscriminately throwing wads of cash at something (especially where technology is concerned) isn't hugely successful and generally attracts lots of criticism. While targeted investment would be a good thing, how do they tell where the next Google or Facebook is coming from ?
       
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      Odd how below us is Germany. Anyone know how they get on?
       
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      Generally it's a bad idea to indiscriminately throw wads of cash at anything ;)

      The issue is in the 'indiscriminately'.

      Quite rightly they are criticised for throwing cash around without evaluating the cost benefits, but equally, there is equally justifiable criticisim due when they withold funding and investment without properly evaluating the cost benefit.

      The issue is about providing government feet on the ground to support and highlight our technology, research and ideas to the rest of the world, and in particular to all those other companies, organisations and countries at the event.

      When it comes to technology, our science, research and innovation is up there with the best in the world .... when it comes to capitalising on it, the UK performs very badly.

      It's not about being talent scouts or being able to spot the next 'big thing', it's about making sure that if an individual or company in the the UK has an idea that could be the next big thing or even just a good idea, that it isn't ignored or a missed opertunity due to a lack of a platform to get it seen.
       
    8. Toko Black

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      Germany's economy and in particular it's tech sector is different from ours.
      It isn't competing nor really trying to compete (rightly or wrongly) in the same market places that countries like the UK, France, the Netherlands, Israel etc are based around.
      Germany is far more invested and linked to industrial engineering, power generation etc in which it's production and tech sectors compliment each other.

      The UK however is more invested in services, platforms(both hardware and software), applications and 'added value'*.

      * an example from my own background would be taking a telephone network and working out ways to improve the experience, add features, functionality and new revenue streams.
      (voice mail, voice recognition, text, email, payment systems, internet and data etc)
       
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      I saw the article. To me it says, "person in charge of CES wants CES to get bigger so has a go at UK government." Who knew?

      I'd like to see an actual alternative take on it rather than the few lines the BBC article has to just what exactly the government's view is.

      As for Google etc that was paid for by maxing out credit cards. The US government didn't fund it so they didn't spot it.

      Our government has a poor record when it comes to IT. It invested a huge amount in an NHS database.

      The BBC threw a huge amount of money at digitising archives and was apparently another disaster.

      The mobile phone network in this country was down to a combination of Thatcher freeing up airwaves and funded by the people using it.

      If it was easy to know where the next big thing was I'd be buying shares in it now. We have Dragon's Den on the telly. We have lots of entrepreneurs with business ideas, we have professional dragons on the panel. Not everything on that is funded and very little goes on to be a success. In fact I can only think of one in 14 series.

      I think it would be great if we were throwing money at everything and some of it sticks but what if it was also just a big waste of money and we could have spent that money on something else.
       
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      Well that's a surprise isn't it :)

      The UK used to have a government Trade and Industry stand at CES but doesn't anymore.

      Were they stupid and wasteful for all the years they did have a stand yet have suddenly become smart and fiscally astute ?
      Were they always smart and fiscally astute, knowing that having a stand in the past was good but now it was bad ?
      Were they fiscally astute in the past but now are a bunch of lemons ?
      Have they always been a bunch of lemons and either got it right or wrong in the past and present down to pure luck ?

      Which is it ?
      ^ (tip: that's a sarcastic rhetorical question)

      "It's not about being talent scouts or being able to spot the next 'big thing', it's about making sure that if an individual or company in the the UK has an idea that could be the next big thing or even just a good idea, that it isn't ignored or a missed opertunity due to a lack of a platform to get it seen." -
      me
       
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      Why? He is the boss of CES and he would want more business. It never occurred to you? Ok.

      As for the rest perhaps the stand was found to not be sufficiently viable hence it was ditched (that is the government's actual view).

      Again I'd like to hear more from the actual government and their side of things and not your own theorising. Cheers.
       
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      The government throws money around like confetti. Often on things with no return.

      No harm in investing/gambling a little bit in the tech sector.

      Our sovereign wealth fund should have a little bit of Apple/Facebook/Arm etc etc tucked away.

      Wait, we don't have a sovereign wealth fund:eek:

      What the hell. Let's take 10% off the NHS and splash that around in other areas.:D

      Speculate to accumulate and all that.
       
    13. Sonic67

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      Cut foreign aid, invest it here. Job jobbed.
       
    14. Toko Black

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      ..... oh the irony :)

      Anyway, that's my last response to you on this particular argument.
       
    15. apolloa

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      Pretty well actually, Nvidia and Audi trumpeted their AI learning self driving car tech an awful lot! It took centre stage at Nvidia's press conference. As to weather the German government is backing Audi or not, i haven't got the faintest clue.
      Considering the tech on show I'd have thought CES would of been in the top of every AV Forums members minds? Not least cause of all those tellies and projectors?
       
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      Not mine... Must be getting old :D
       
    17. Toko Black

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      getting ?
       
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