Got a problem with my diesel lack of power and stalling

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  1. _Dragon_

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    So ive never had any problems with my kia ceed untill i took it to my local indy garage,It went in for its service oil change fuel filter air filter,I was told it looks like the fuel filter has never been changed not good for a 7 year old car.

    It was running fine after the service but the second day i pulled out of my driveway and a couple of yards down the road the engine jerked and then cut out, engine light came on,Took a few more turns than normal to start it. But after that the car was running fine. The fault code was insufficient fuel supply.

    But a couple of days later i started to get loss of power it wasn't pulling like it would normally but the problem is on and off some days its fine other days i get lack of power,If i turn the car off and restart then i get full power back,But then it returns a couple of days later.

    The garage have replaced their fuel filter but its happened after that so it cant be the fuel filter but they have no idea whats wrong as no other fault codes have been logged in just that once when the engine light came on.

    It has jerked and stalled for a second time but no engine light came on this time when this happens it takes longer to start up again.

    The garage had my car for three days taking it out three times a day but the problem never happened with them.
     
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    did they use a 3rd party filter or a genuine kia part?
     
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    They didnt use a genuine kia filter.
     
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    no expert here but maybe the one they used has different flow properties than a kia one or the wrong type has been fitted? Wouldn't think a genuine kia part would be to expensive so worth a punt.
     
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    This is what has annoyed me they took my car in on monday saying they were going to replace it with the Kia filter,But when i picked up the car yesterday i was told nothing had been changed as it wasnt given them any problems.

    I think if it happens again i shall find another garage to put a kia one on.
     
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    I wonder if they have messed something else up.
    Go somewhere else.
     
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    Almost certainly an air leak on the fuel filter.

    Shouldn't make any difference if an aftermarket fuel filter was fitted.
     
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    Well all I can say is ive been told by the garage no leaks have been found nothing has been messed up by doing the fuel filter. Im loosing faith in this garage. They replaced the fuel filter and said its unlikely the filter thats the problem as its happened on the second fuel filter.
     
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    I had a similar problem 3 weeks ago on my sister's Renault Master van.
    I replaced the fuel filter (non genuine Mahle filter...original part on lots of other vehicles and my preferred make of filter) when i took the van for a test run after the service the van stalled and the engine light came on...the code related to fuel system fault.
    I couldn't see any fuel leak, but took the filter off again and ran diesel around the rubber seal...took the van for another test drive, ran perfectly for a few minutes then same problem as before, but with bad starting.
    Took the van back and removed the fuel filter again...turned the rubber seal on top of the filter housing upside down and tried again....the van ran perfectly and has done ever since, including a 300 mile round trip and many deliveries.
    There had to be an air leak.
    Your car should at least have a full diagnostic check...logically the fault has occurred since the service so has to be a faulty part somewhere, a dodgy wiring connector to a critical component or an air leak on the fuel filter.
    I've only come across incompatible fuel filters twice in 45 years and that was when the first Mondeo and Focus diesels first came out (the ones with 3 pipes fitted to the filter, a metal canister type filter), the non genuine filter didn't have a valve inside the filter which caused a serious running problem...only genuine filters had to be fitted to those and some Ford Transit diesels where the filter does not seal properly because of locating pegs being a little off and not allowing the filter to seal properly.
     
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    something similar few months back to a friend on motorway some 100 miles away from home. He took it to garage nearby and no fault on diagnostic. A quick call to ford dealer who done the service week before and they advised to check fuel filter. The garage refitted filter and no problem since then.
     
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    Its all pointing towards the fuel filter thanks guys,So far ive not got the problem returning.
     
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    Good news, fingers crossed it stays that way :smashin:
     
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    Yes, good news :)
     
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    Its returned,Been fine for two weeks but this morning bam foot to the floor no power,Lucky enough i was driving past the garage so i got them to drive the car and feel what was going on,As soon as he drove off and put his foot down he felt the no power i then told him to pull in the layby stop the car then start it up because i said when i stop the car and start it again the power problem goes away.He did and the power problem went away he thinks ive got a egr valve problem,Could be not opening or closing,And when you turn the engine of and start again it resets itself.

    Still not getting any fault codes come up.
     
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    Does sound like EGR and I don't think a sticking flap does show up as a fault, sometimes.
    If it's still under warranty, insist on a new EGR rather than them spraying the existing one with EGR cleaner.
     
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    Hi

    Sadly its now out of warranty,So this is going to my local indy garage they said they will have to take it off and go from there to see if it needs to be replaced. Is a EGR a costly thing to replace?
     
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    You can pick up EGRs online from between £40 and £140 (used or new)
    Not sure how long fitting would take, depends on accessibility on the Ceed.
     
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    Ok cheers,Will just wait and find out what the garage suggests,Its booked in for next week,Just glad they have driven it and felt the problem,I guess the reason why everytime i took it to them they weren't getting the problem is the simple fact i was turning off the car which was resetting it.
     
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    Been on the kia forum and im shocked if its true, if I was going to a kia dealer and I need it replaced im looking at a grand or more and thats without labour.
     
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    Nah, that can't be right.
    Are you maybe confusing EGR with DPF?
    Original equipment DPF can run into stupid money, if you're* stupid enough to let them do it.

    *not aimed at you
     
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    I didn't think it could be right,I asked about the EGR,Lucky no dpf on mine.
     
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    Just got a reply from the chap on the kia forum, he said his mistake for my ceed its £110 but for his rio its £300.
     
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    Holy cow just looked on Euro car parts and im shocked it is £219 was £294 list price £482
     
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    I doubt if the problem is related to the EGR valve, but I haven't driven the car.
     
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    Well we shall see,Ill keep this updated:)
     
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    Ive been told by the garage its the egr and its going to cost £300
     
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    Hopefully all is well afterwards.
     
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    Ooh now you're not allowed to mention stuff like this on here.:eek:
    Tut tut etc.etc.;)
     
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    Well, you can't mention DPF removal or gutting without being required to molly-coddle adults and reminding them it's illegal etc, apparently.
    Presume their stance on EGR removal/blanking is the same, perhaps not.
    Anyway, I didn't mention EGR removal/blanking before because I couldn't be bothered with the mods possibly harping on.:D
     

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