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Gordon's Mains Leads

Discussion in 'Home Cinema Building DIY' started by Mark Ward, Feb 19, 2003.

  1. Mark Ward

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    In the interest of not taking the other thread off topic I thought I'd start a new one here...

    Gordon Said:-
    World domination in your future plans Gordon?

    I'd be curious to try your lead against the plethora of others I have here or available for comparison.

    Currently have:-

    Standard Leads
    RA Yello
    RA Classic Wattgate
    NfordEnfield AMG (Great Lead This!!)

    Should be able to get hold of a:-

    Matt(a?)Horne v1.0

    I'd be happy to do some blind tests and I'm sure I could get a couple of the other locals to take part. Nathan? Matt?

    Cheers,

    Mark.
     
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    Ah ha..SOmeone has risen to the bait.....

    Do you want the story behind the mains lead? I actually have two here just now. First prototype was a bit of a disaster building. I will try and do listening tests between it and second prototype today if I get a chance. I want to try and do a couple of sort of finshed versions before letting anyone see them.

    Mark, where are you in country?

    Gordon

    I have heard the Yello RA one and another RA one with knobby bits on each end. I though the more expensive RA one was worse than a normal IEC lead supplied with Linn power amp. The Yello didn't convince me either. The screened one that Quadraspire sell and that seems to be the basis for most DIY leads was best I'd heard other than this one...hopefully.
     
  3. Mark Ward

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    OK, I'm of the opinion that there are better ears than mine out there :)
    Maidstone, Kent
    I have to say I'm not 100% convinced that any on them (or speaker wire but that's another story) are any better or worse than the others. I think I can hear a difference but would need to do multiple blind tests where there is the potential for the same combination to be used more than once (that'll be interesting).

    When doing any listening tests the placebo affect is always a concern.

    In my room I have a dedicated ring main with isolated earthing so any benefit will probably be harder to spot. If I can persuade Nathan or Matt Horne to host any testing we'd probably get a better idea of any potential benefit to be had. We all live within a few miles of each other.

    Having said that a test with already clean power wouldn't hurt either.

    Let's see how you get on with your tests first.

    Mark.
     
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    The biggest difference my LoRad based cables make is cutting down interference to my other audio cables. At the moment I've got a messy setup stacked on a chest of draws in my room and there's good cable spagetti going on. My mains leads are all over my audio leads.
     
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    Mark,

    I am in London next Monday as I can't be bothered going back to Glasgow after show on Sunday only to drive back down for a course I am going on on Tuesday. I have to see Elliot at PJ in afternoon or morning but would be happy to come over later and show you my methodology for listening tests.

    oh and I'd bring a mains lead along too.

    Gordon
     
  6. Mark Ward

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    You'd be most welcome. I'll PM you some details. No pressure if it doesn't work out logistically.

    Mark.
     
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    I'm game..

    Got a couple of homemade cables running full time on my gear I could bring along :)

    Matt
     
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    Gordon

    are these 'inspired' by Alan?
     
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    Indeed they are....Bee. If they turn out to work as well as the Original (hopefully better) I will be happy. I will not let anyone take one apart to find out the secrets as I promised Alan that.

    Dependant on performance I might go in to production but we'll see. I really just made them up for a laught to show Elliot at PJ that mains cable can make a difference.

    Gordon
     
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    So I can't borrow one then :devil:

    seriously, if they work as we previously discussed I would be interested in purchasing made up ones.
     
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    They work! knocked spots off my RA Classic Wattgate 350.

    Gordon came over yesterday complete with prototype lead and we did some quick A:B tests. Noticeably more detail and air around instruments, very impressive.

    He also said they take a long while to make and he doesn't think he will be able to make them commercially. So I'd like to thank Gordon for showing us what we can't have!:devil:

    He stayed tight lipped about the secrets and he was driving so I couldn't "lubricate" the information out of him. I asked a few questions but he wasn't giving anything away.

    I hope he posts to say it was all a trick just to prove you get better results with cooker wire and you can make them for £1.27incl VAT.

    Anyway.. I've got the Wattgate in the kettle now and the tea has never tasted better:D

    Thanks for taking the time to show us Gordon.

    Mark.
     
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    Mark,

    Thank you and Nathan for a pleasant evening. I'm sorry I wasn't as animated as I usually am but I was a bit under the weather. Your room is going to be fantatic when you are finished.

    The lead was actually not a completely finished prototype. There is one other thing I think I can do to futher increas it's performance but I didn't have enough time to go buy the ingrediants. I will now have to make two more leads. One with the next stage and another using non-cooker cable (from black rhodium). Won't happen for a few days or a week though as I have real work to do.

    Gordon
     
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    Give us a bell if you need any extras making up Gordon.:)
     
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    If you decide to make a batch, I'll buy 10 cables off you (terminated with IEC)

    Thanks
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    The problem is Gordon won't tell how to make them or what they're made of so you'll have to make up any extras blindfolded:devil:

    Gordon. No worries about you being a bit quiet, I'm not surprised you must have been shattered from all that driving apart from anything else. Another time I'll make sure we have accomodation available for you so you can have half a lager if you feel you like one ;)

    Thanks for the kind words about the room, I'm surprised with how it's turning out. With more carpet and curtains it'll only get better. Mr. Beekeeper can take comfort from the fact that pitched roofed huge rooms can work very well. Even with modest(ish)amplification.

    I'd really like to try your leads on my Processor & Power Amps too at some point if the opportunity arises?

    I'll say again that these leads are VERY good. Now I'm off to patent an IEC, MainsPlug & Cable sleaving that is tamper-proof:D

    Mark.
     
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    Shh...

    I'm trying to be subtle.:D
     
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    Rick: I saw a guy strip and re-build an Armalight rifle blindfold so building a mains lead should be a piece of cake....

    Gordon

    Mark: Took 1 and 3/4 hrs to get to Swindon after leaving you. Up for training course at 9.30 with no breakfast then had to leave early for 7hr drive back to home.....knackered......Cheers
     
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    We used to have a Armalite! Nice rifle, prefer Lee Enfield though.
     
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    I've got one in my wardrobe at home. It's only a Airsoft version, but it was used in Black Hawk Down.
     
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    Gordons' lead? Hhmmmm

    Looked naff but did seem to give a brighter less muffled feel to the music. It just seemed to deliver more power.

    Gordon did avoid any questions surrounding it's inners.

    Bet it's got a mini substation in it..................................

    Another unsolved mystery of life then.

    Eitherway, great excuse to meet another forum member, next time you'll have to pop over and see my Batcave the Kent Edition.


    Rgds

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    It did look "naff" but then that's what happens when no-one stocks the heatshrink you want and you have to go through a roll of black electrical tape instead.

    I'll definately come to yours the next time Nathan and will bring a finished lead with me. There is still more experimenting to do.....

    Gordon
     
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    I have to ask! What is it?

    Re youir mains cable, if you don't have the time why not sub contract this out, I am certainly interested in buying either the ready made up cables or the technology for me to make my own.
     
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    I've split the thread so that this can stay on mains leads, and the digital leads have moved to their own thread.

    Sadly I don't think I can split popsts up though so it doesn't look great.
     
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    Bee: I will make you some leads once it is finsihed. i will send you one for appraisal with a price.

    Elliot is using a cable you have probaby tried as a video interconnect. I wil not post the exact details of it. Email me if you require further info.

    Gordon
     
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    I am happy to make up cables for anyone who wants them for minimal costs :)

    It would be expensive for people to buy the bits as the cable comes on 300ft drums and the crimp tools cost upwards of £130 partnered with the fact that i buy plugs in the 100's to keep the costs down.

    Therefore anyone who wants one, PM me :)

    Best

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