My thoughts on this that I have posted before are based on getting hold on a machine that started off as a midrange machine and then became budget as newer models came out. I would think that most people would agree that these would be better than those that start out at 149.00 and are made by inferior manufacturers. I have seen my own machine (Tosh 2109) advertised for 199.00. It is a bargain at this, and definitely better than buying a cheaper brand of machine. Consider it.